I’m so fed up with all this vegan wankery

@Underdone I was concerned by the sponsors of the sustainable food trust too, always concerned about an interest group funding research - be it the vegans or the meat and dairy farmers.

@Lolohboy

Yes underdone, lots of evidence, hence my conclusions!*

Yet you can't post a single link, to a single article (not sponsored by the meat and dairy industry). Literally NO evidence. NONE.*

@Lolohboy

Thank you. I will read what they have to say. But at a first glance I have to say that it looks like an organisation that is financed by the meat and dairy industry. Just take a look at the partners list. Most of the organisations make their living from promoting animal agriculture. It is in their interest to make a case for sustainable animal abuse, sorry, agriculture.

@HugsAreMyDrugs
I hesitate to put myself into a class - as I'm not English and I think it's an English obsession that does not translate well to other nationalities.
My parents didn't have people over for dinner - but since moving out to University we always cooked for friends - I go through fits and starts with entertaining, I enjoy cooking and I'm always trying out new food - so I am never daunted by dietary restrictions. We always feed the dc's friends and we'd attempt to feed anyone who was around at dinner time.

It's out there! The sustainable food trust has some good stuff for a very basic start. You must appreciate thpugh that a lifetime of research is vvv difficult to reference in a mumsnet post!? I've paraphrased for you, much of it is simple logic - what did we do before oil? Had animals. Well, why would we if it was so grossly inefficient? What's changed? Fossil fuels. Does that even SOUND good, on a very basic, layman type of level? Lol, no.

It's actually a myth that most crops are grown for livestock, as that wouldnt make much economic sense. @Lolohboy keen to see the evidence too because I have always read the contrary view

@rainingallday why don't you be honest and say the dinner parties are not working for you that you are fed up cooking and eating vegan food assuming you actually like the vegan couple, why don't you just suggest you all go out to eat rather than having each other over for dinner. I have people over to dinner who don't like to cook, I get fed up being the one doing all the hosting so we eat out with those friends - life is too short and friends are supposed to bring you joy.

Yes underdone, lots of evidence, hence my conclusions!

@derxa

What point are you trying to make?

On every occasion, we go all out to cater to them, buy (expensive) vegan foodstuffs in, soy milk, special dessert for them, and actually make a great deal of effort to cook a meal for them, according to their dietary requirements. It takes a lot of time and effort and quite a bit of extra cost. We don't eat this food that they require, but we get it in and cook it (as well as our own food/drink,) because we are courteous, and thoughtful, and we cater to our guests.

So you don’t eat vegetables (vegan), packaged pasta which most are vegan? Sounds like you made the choice to buy the expensive stuff because you couldn’t be arsed to look up cheap alternatives which isn’t difficult when you have this thing called Google.

Tbh, I'm always amazed that so many people spend so much time cooking for other people and having people cook for them. Maybe I am weird but I have never in my adult life had someone over for 'dinner' or been at someone else's for 'dinner'.

I have always wondered (but being too scared to ask as it may be verging in to dangerous teritory) if it's a class thing.

“Less Favoured Area” (LFA) is land which has a natural disadvantage that makes agricultural production difficult. Over 5.73 million hectares of Scottish farmland (85%) is LFA land.

Powdered milk? Sounds utterly revolting.

HugsAreMyDrugs
I'm also not entirely sure why you need to bring your own coffee so you don't have to drink their 'tasteless shite'. Surely coffee is just coffee. If you don't like the particular brand they buy then that's fair enough but it has bugger all to do with veganism.

rainingallday wrote "coffee mate", not just "coffee". Powdered milk is not vegan, and was being suggested as preferable to soya milk in the coffee for people who dislike soya milk.

@Lolohboy
So no evidence then? Despite two decades worth of experience?

I'm sorry if I sound goady. It's really not my intention. But I hope you can understand why I would challenge you. If you make a statement of fact rather than belief then surely, and particularly as a post grad, you can expect to be asked to back it up?

I've given you the benefit of my knowledge from two decades worth of career and education. You are totally free to chose whether to take it.

@Lolohboy

Great. So let's see your evidence?

I've studied it to postgrad level, so fairly confident I have a decent understanding.

@Lolohboy

You can believe that if you want but it doesn't make it true.

The amount of disinformation on this thread is off the scale. Jeez, I know it's hard when you realise that your lifestyle is inherently cruel and I understand why you'd want to attack anyone trying to point out the bleeding obvious but come on, if you're going to make claims at least back them up. With proper facts. Not just boohoo feelings because you want to justify carrying on your life of abuse.

Show us the evidence (not sponsored by the meat and dairy industry) that supports your argument.

It's actually a myth that most crops are grown for livestock, as that wouldnt make much economic sense. Livestock eat the bits of crops we can't, or the substandard crops we wont. That makes up the bulk of the crop because crop growing for humans is so inefficient, so it's easy to tweak the stats and make it look like the crops are grown for livestock. In fact, livestock mop up our mess and convert it into high quality human food.

@Theredjellybean
Whilst it's true that some people may say they are adopting a vegan or some other diet as a means to hide their eating disorder it does not mean that there is anything inherently wrong with a vegan diet. Nor does it mean, as you seem to imply that eating a vegan diet can lead to an eating disorder. There is not a jot of evidence to show this.

@rainingallday

And it will be.

It won't be.

Because science is on it's side. And if I was your vegan 'friend' I think I'd like to know what you really thought about me. So that I could take a view on whether I wanted to stay friends with you. Because you don't sound like you like them very much.

Sorry... Auto correct.. Should be dsd not dad

I also am fed up with the enormous push that veganism is the best/healthiest /world saving diet.
My dad is battling anorexia and that started with an obsession with "clean * eating.
Then veganism..
It is well recognised pathway down the rabbit hole of eating disorders.. Yet this is never ever talked about when programmes and radio broadcasts are all obsessed with the new zealots of veganism
Orthorexia is becoming more widely thought of as a eating disorder.
We need to balance the endless promoting of vegan and "healthy" eating with warnings and awareness of Orthorexia and how it leads to anorexia.

Most crops are grown to be fed to livestock...