I’m so fed up with all this vegan wankery

I love all the new vegan stuff. I'm not vegan, not even veggie, but I try to reduce my meat and dairy intake as, despite a lot of people who are clearly confused, a plant based diet is definitely better for the planet. I eat meat maybe twice a week, sometimes more. I love meat replacements, veggie burgers, Greggs vegan sausage rolls (which have been a massive hit btw, bringing in a huge profit). Vegetables are not a replacement for protein. Meat replacements are, and they are delicious these days - they used to be revolting. Here's hurrah for the food scientists bringing us new and yummier vegan food.
If you don't like it, don't eat it, but I for one am happy and eating loads of it. Not sure why people get so angry that there are products available that other people like.

Putting aside the argument about welfare of animals (after all plenty of wildlife ends up as collateral damage in intensive plant harvesting), the current problem is with trends, marketing, advertising and over zealous sanctimonious lobbyists(who themselves might not be vegans). And let’s be honest, pushing the vegan options at certain food supply establishments is about making money, probably very few independents are truly embracing the pure ethos of veganism.
Surely Most people like to follow a certain diet without making a fuss about it and without others making a fuss about it either.
After all, plenty of regular diets worldwide rely heavily on delicious and healthy vegan or vegetarian options due to availability of certain produce, religious beliefs and probably other reasons as well. It is part of a some standard ways of life. It is not special or abnormal.
What I find grating is the terminology. Why call something a vegetarian burger/sausage or similar borrowed expression of something else which has always traditionally been identified as a meat containing item of food. What is all that about? It’s just confusing and in my head and somehow negates the modern vegetarian concept by making references to something vegetarianism is (supposedly) opposed to. Just call a spade a spade.
I must admit I never heard a person being classed as a ‘veggie’ before this thread.
Hopefully the hysteria will end soon and people can continue to eat what they like in peace.

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I'm really annoyed by people announcing what they eat! Says the person who's come on a national forum to announce what they eat

Like previous posters, genuine vegans don’t need to announce themselves, they just adapt what’s on the menu and get on with it!!

That doesn’t always work though. Sometimes it isn’t clear what’s been cooked in butter, or if something contains egg. It looked like there was absolutely nothing I could eat on the menu at the restaurant I went to for Sunday lunch. “Announcing” I was vegan was the easiest way to find out what was suitable.

@JinglingHellsBells Homo sapiens also started out living in caves and eating only raw food...are you going to follow a Palaeolithic diet?

Like I said, it's about doing what you can. If I even for one second believed that only 'vegan' agriculture caused harm to wildlife and that meat and dairy farming caused no harm to any living being other than the meat provider I might rethink, but I'm very sceptical on that.

Sadly I have not mastered the art of living on sunlight alone...and my gardening skills leave a lot to be desired, so I'm doing the best I can. I'm not claiming to be saving the planet or preventing all animals from dying, but what I'm doing is good enough for me and I don't need to justify myself to anyone.

@Wiltshirelass2019 I really don't know what you mean about the depth of flavour - some dishes need depth others don't. I made a spanish omelette today - plenty of flavour - nothing missing. Salads can be made without meat - using capers, olives, fried onions etc as high notes. Gazpacho soup with garlic croutons - don't need anything. Lovely Indian curries, Thai curries...I honestly see the compulsion to include meat on a plate a bit of a drag - I find meat in a chilli, lasagne and a bolognaise very claggy and unpleasant. I am not squeamish I'll eat raw meat or fish and offal etc but I really don't feel it is necessary in every meal because of depth of flavour.

BeingChampion growing more plants is far better for biodiversity than farming cattle, which on average is more harmful than using fuel to transport goods, no matter how far those goods travelled. Oats replacing soya is much, much better for the environment and if more people gave up meat and dairy we could slow down climate change. I'm all for that.

Fromage the issue is that most products were tested on animals, hence now they are being labelled as vegan (the BUAV jumping bunny or official vegan sign is essential) if they are no longer tested.

And yes, I am vegan and have been for a very long time and was veggie since a toddler.

Don't understand people who get uppity about other people caring for the planet and who want to see an end to animal suffering. Leave us to get on with saving the planet and ending animal suffering while you suck lemons at the idea of fake meat. Really.

There is also evidence that plants feel pain just as animals do.

Citation required.

Vegan and Flexitarian Diets Are* Here to Stay,Vegan and flexitarian diets are not a passing trend. The meat and dairy industries need to watch out, as plant-based eating is here to stay*.
More people than EVER are turning to Vegan or Vegetarian

Have you no thought for the terrible suffering of the animals.

Urgh my bloody sister pulls this shit. I made our dad's birthday cake vegan so she could have some (rather than buying one in) and she started guzzling the non-vegan garlic bread.

She was one of those vegetarians who eat bacon sandwiches when no one is looking, so I shouldn't be surprised.

Bloody good cake, mind.

Vegan food?

No, thank you, I've got some milk roll in t'case that'll do me.

Loving Veganism. Especially the puds for my dairy-free child. This year is the first time he's been in restaurants and had lovely puds.

As for the icecream on holidays and days to the seaside.... He's had choice this year!!! Yeahhhhhhhhhh more please

Please, anyone wir6h allergies...
Still alert the staff to it even if menu says vegan

I notice how as always the vegan haters are proving themselves to be far more smug, self righteous and insufferable than your average vegan.

Well I'm delighted that more and more places are catering for vegans. DD (13) has recently developed a dairy allergy which is pretty severe and so has become a meat eating vegan!
It's great to be able to still eat out although cross contamination is still a worry.

It's also a modern luxury to eat as much meat as we do, go to restaurants, use the Internet, drive cars, live in homes bigger than our needs, buy cheap and designer clothing etc.

Agreed!
I work in a restaurant and have lost count of the amount of people who come in, then announce loudly “I’m vegan - what can I eat??”
Excuse me? You are following an eating
lifestyle of your own choice... but you don’t know what you can eat?? But I am??😲
Like previous posters, genuine vegans don’t need to announce themselves, they just adapt what’s on the menu and get on with it!!

@Wiltshirelass2019 I'd be very interested in seeing your statistics on that. It's not a cop out at all and I'm actually pretty pissed off at that.

Why are you so apparently angry at vegans? I've not tried to persuade anyone to be vegan, not made out I'm morally superior yet you seem to be taking delight in pouncing on all my posts and pointing out that I'm some sort of crap baking hypocrite-I don't get it? Other than making a different lifestyle choice to you I don't see what I've done that's so offensive.

JinglingHellsBells vegans don’t give a shit about mice, rabbits or insects...

Vegan food in restaurants has been awesome for my kidsveing dairy and egg free

I am really confused about vegan food supposedly being tasteless because there is a massive array of Indian food that is vegan and vegetarian. I think a lot of people just don’t eat anything non standard and get angry that other people do.

@MyGhastIsFlabbered I believe homo sapiens is meant to eat meat.

I also think you ought to bear in mind that millions of animals- not ones we eat now- are killed by growing crops. You want to differentiate between cows, sheep and rabbits or mice? So why is that? How many do you think are killed by harvesting your vegetables? or insects so that fruit and veggies grow? I have no sentimentality about animals or killing them for food. It's a modern luxury being able to do this only possible because of air- miled food which is destroying the planet.

If you could only eat what you grew yourself, you might have a point but you can't. You could not survive without food from other countries.

soggypizza I mostly eat ‘vegan’ food (or just food in my opinion) and I love it but you cannot get the same depth of flavour...

I'll be the first to admit there are a lot of vegan wankers out there, and unfortunately they seem to be the loudest. Meat eating wankers seem to be quite loud too!