Four events this week at school during working hours…

You all seem to understand things in economic terms and are interested in monetary matters. Well less children obviously means less tax to pay for their schools, because there will be way less.

You all seem to understand things in economic terms and are interested in monetary matters. Well less children obviously means less tax to pay for their schools, because there will be way less.

As you don’t work you aren’t paying any tax so not contributing to the financial support needed for your children’s education.

That’s their Dad’s responsibility. We have clearly demarcated, shared, different but of equal value, tasks we share responsibility for. The government do pretty well out of him as a state teacher in a deprived area who does hours of unpaid for those kids because he genuinely cares about them.

Oh you're back Nigel - excellent! This should be fun 😂

School is a service provided from taxpayers’ money so the parents are the customers. The fact it is run on a conscription basis does not change that basic fact - the parents (the working ones anyway) are paying for this. So it would make sense to run it on a basis that adapts to the changes in society - such as both parents working. Lots of random events held at maybe a day’s notice make life impossible. Just issue a calendar and don’t expect the parents there too often (or judge them for that) because they do have other places to be. Needing to earn an income is a basic economic fact and anyone concerned with “safeguarding” would try to work around the need for parents to provide for their kids.

So your family is a lower contributor than a family like mine where both parents are working full time and paying huge amounts of tax.

You need to earn more money to pay for everything you outsource that I do myself.

I disagree with our tax system anyway, it does not reflect the breadth of parental choice in the way that other countries do. Some countries choose to give tax breaks and incentives to families where one parent stay at home. Unfortunately, the UK prefers to reward an individualistic, money-grabbing mindset.

We also don’t agree with my husband paying tax into free childcare hours for others people’s babies/toddlers. So I’ve already got rid of my income, then he’s paid again for other parents where there are 2 higher earners than us anyway? No, we do not agree with that one bit. If you have 2 earners then you pay!

You need to earn more money to pay for everything you outsource that I do myself.

I disagree with our tax system anyway, it does not reflect the breadth of parental choice in the way that other countries do. Some countries choose to give tax breaks and incentives to families where one parent stay at home. Unfortunately, the UK prefers to reward an individualistic, money-grabbing mindset.

We also don’t agree with my husband paying tax into free childcare hours for others people’s babies/toddlers. So I’ve already got rid of my income, then he’s paid again for other parents where there are 2 higher earners than us anyway? No, we do not agree with that one bit. If you have 2 earners then you pay!

So anyone who chooses to work is money grabbing and individualistic? Interesting.

Apparently so - whilst simultaneously contributing to the coffers which pay for teachers and schools, healthcare , social care, roads, emergency services, libraries, cleansing, community centres....

To be fair, the teachers and support staff will also be contributing from their frankly not brilliant salaries.

They will - but not enough to sustain the entire education system of the UK. We need as many people as possible to work and pay for eg core services and benefits for people who need them.

One of the many reasons why I decided to be a SAHM…none of this stuff is new or a surprise prior to deciding to have children, it’s always been the case that parents are invited in to school events and expected to support their child’s learning. I saw firsthand as a Reception teacher how upset children are when nobody shows up for their events, and knew that would never be the case for mine. Children require emotional support and genuine interest to thrive.

Parents expect schools to pick up way too much stuff nowadays, including changing nappies and teeth cleaning! Schools should however give parents adequate notice about events, as many will rearrange things where they can. This stuff is important.

High earners don’t qualify for free childcare.

IMO the schools are the ones creating the opportunities for the children’s disappointment, by constantly orahbsjng unnecessary middle of the days events that the children parents will struggle to attend.

Nurseries aren’t like this.

So anyone who chooses to work is money grabbing and individualistic? Interesting.

Plenty could manage with less and have more time with their own children, if they truly wanted to, yes.

You need to earn more money to pay for everything you outsource that I do myself.

I disagree with our tax system anyway, it does not reflect the breadth of parental choice in the way that other countries do. Some countries choose to give tax breaks and incentives to families where one parent stay at home. Unfortunately, the UK prefers to reward an individualistic, money-grabbing mindset.

We also don’t agree with my husband paying tax into free childcare hours for others people’s babies/toddlers. So I’ve already got rid of my income, then he’s paid again for other parents where there are 2 higher earners than us anyway? No, we do not agree with that one bit. If you have 2 earners then you pay!

Funnily enough babies can’t perform, sing, show you their work or show you their sports.

Plenty could manage with less and have more time with their own children, if they truly wanted to, yes.

But plenty do who earn more than us even if we both worked full time. My DH earns around £40K. 2 parents who both worked could bring in a combined income of £99K and qualify.

Some of us want to provide more than the minimum for their DC’s

Funnily enough babies can’t perform, sing, show you their work or show you their sports.