Male abuser denied help because lover is non-gender, in the Times

[Igneococcus]

In Scotland, I'm not sure I understand it fully:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1cdfbfac-f63b-11eb-8f01-2c678acbb979?shareToken=8fa2365793d73c17f8778e876b8fa8ce

I have just read it.
Service is for heterosexual couples.
Couple is man and former woman now nb.
Man is refused service. It’s not clear but are they saying he’s now not heterosexual ?
He hasn’t changed his sexuality so will likely seek future relationships with women and I assume may revert to this prior behaviour.
So rather than admit that he is denied service.

It must be very confusing for that man (and most people) to find out that they actually did not have had a heterosexual relationship as they thought.

That is them told.

This batshittery has to end!

He is male. The partner is female. It is typical male pattern abuse of women, In reality that is what is happening and, as this case well illustrates, this female cannot 'identify' out of abusive men committing typical male pattern violence against them.

So now, the man is going to be left to carry on without treatment to abuse his partner and women in the future.
So out of adherence to this ideology women will continue to be abused by this man.

Well done Nicola Sturgeon, you aint' no feminist.

They are saying the relationship is not heterosexual, which is just bizzare.

Bizarre. And short-sighted. And discriminatory.

Why are they conflating sexuality with gender identity? (rhetorical question)

And is the Scottish Justice system so blinkered that it doesn’t think gay men commit domestic abuse of their partners?

Or for that matter that Women (straight or gay) and Trans Women aren’t abusers either?

I find it… ironic… that the Scottish Govt has decided to exclude so many categories of people from a program designed to recognise their abusive behaviours and hopefully break the DA cycle, whilst insisting that DA shelters are opened up to anyone and everyone.

I wonder if the power dynamics of the relationship are so substantially different that despite the common feature of domestic abuse there is supposed to be little crossover? Are there enough data to come to a judgment on this matter?

Or, is this an administrative matter?

“The criminal justice service report recommended referral to a Sacro programme aimed at men who abuse their female partners.

“Meanwhile the victim, a biological woman, now identifies as non-gender so the court could not accede.”
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Sacro’s website confirms the Caledonian system is specifically designed to “address domestic abuse by men towards a female partner or ex-partner”.
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There is no reference to what would happen in the case of a man abusing their partner who identifies as being neither a woman nor a man.

archived version of article for future use: archive.is/j68MP

So the Scottish Government is no longer content with redefining what a woman is, now they are redefining our sexualities. No wonder Humza couldn't tell us how many sexes there are! 🤡

My reading of it is that the service is specifically for men who abuse women. As his partner is not a woman he cannot access the service.

This is what happens when you replace sex with gender.

So nothing to do with sexuality. As a PP said, and admin matter.

In realityland this is indeed absurd. But in a world that prioritises gender identity it males perfect sense, no? They have followed the ideology to its logical conclusion.

Is this system an alternative to a prison sentence?

There's some more info about it here:
www.gov.scot/publications/caledonian-system-evaluation-analysis-programme-tackling-domestic-abuse-scotland/

It seems that it is actually 3 programmes, one for the man, one for the woman, and one for the child, all running in tandem.

@334bu

Is this system an alternative to a prison sentence?

The scheme, which has been backed by Edinburgh Women’s Aid, is an alternative to prison, but not to prosecution.

@Igneococcus

They are saying the relationship is not heterosexual, which is just bizzare.

Yes, the clue is in the word heterosexual, the NBA partner is of the female sex.

If it is an alternative to prison and is only available to opposite " gender identity" couples, then the victim could ensure a prison sentence by simply saying they no longer identify as a woman?

*NB not nba

No problems they said

No conflicts

Just admin!

So who is the real victim of this decision? The woman beating male, or all future women who have the unfortunate experience of this man.

Had the victim not identified as nonbinary, the abuser could presumably have identified as nonbinary or female in order to avoid attending these sessions... though this may have been counterproductive if the alternative is prison.
It is not clear to me whether the victim identified as nonbinary at the time of the abuse or only subsequently. However, there is a fair chance that in either scenario the agency would no longer regard it as male-against-female abuse - even though it blatantly is.

in a world that prioritises gender identity it males perfect sense

Best typo ever.

I know I'm being incredibly naive, but I'm hoping it's because they want to ensure he goes to prison.

The alternative is too ridiculous,stupid and dangerous to fully accept.

@Chickenyhead

So who is the real victim of this decision? The woman beating male, or all future women who have the unfortunate experience of this man.

Don't forget the woman being beaten by this man, who, by opting out of womanhood, will not be able to access the services provided to women by this scheme.

So you can now come out trans, that changes your partner's sexuality without their consent, and that is enshrined in law?

Good grief.