One in 50 prisoners identify as transexual

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"One in 50 prisoners identifies as transsexual, amid concerns inmates are attempting to secure prison perks"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/09/one-50-prisoners-identify-transsexual-first-figures-show-amid/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Surely not???

Shocker, eh???

Nobody would ever do that.

Two scenarios here; are men who identify as women committing crimes at a higher rate than would be expected from their demographic OR is there a lot of abuse of Self ID by male prisoners going on (as predicted by many women).
Anyone have any other possible explanations? Neither look good for the TRAs

That would never happen, would it?

That's 2%, which is the figure that's often bandied about for the population in general. The article suggests the general population figure is 0.5% which isn't one I've heard recently.

If there are so many, though, it means some of the "perks" like a single cell and showering alone could no longer be necessary as there will be enough to have them bunk up together. Which may push the numbers back down again.

Oh yes, where is the 'this never happens thread'?

And let's not forget this:

threader.app/thread/1067498512252837889

Almost half of the sex offenders the MoJ decided to treat with anti-androgens then transitioned.

(Read this thread only if you want to explode with impotent fury.)

This is 2% right?
Same percentage as members of staff at the BBC.

At Dorothy Stringer school in Brighton transgender pupils are 1 in 20.

Maybe that many people are trans. Doesn't mean men are women or vice versa though.

Just waiting for someone to identify as innocent and get released

Yes it's a complete different statistic that 48% of males who identify as women in prison are sex abusers.

^sex offenders sorry

"One in 50 male offenders in prisons are self-identifying as transgender, according to a survey by the official jail watchdog, rising to one in ten of inmates from traveller communities".

One in 10 travellers in prison is identifying as transgender?

Still, nobody would ever pretend to be transgender to take advantage of a system ripe for abuse.

Prisoners least of all.

Even if 2% is just the same rate as the general population, all that proves is that trans identifying men do in fact just commit crime at the same rate as any other men.

A good reminder on some other numbers

transcrimeuk.com/2017/11/16/trans-homicides-in-the-uk-a-closer-look-at-the-numbers/

And also this which references the previous figures - not surprising to see an increase from 125 to 139 in about a year, up by 11%.

medium.com/@evastanford/transwomen-sexual-offenders-a-closer-look-6c507d9e2414

"Earlier this year the Ministry of Justice created a "wing" for transgender prisoners to keep them away from other inmates women."

Fixed it.

Nah I just don't believe it. Nobody would lie about something so serious for their own benefit especially not convicted criminals. 🙄

That description of the b'ham prison is really really shocking! As is the number of self harm cases.

I also think that this:

"The impact of new psychoactive substances was underestimated by the prison service. The response has been too slow.”

Could be changed to this:

“The impact of was underestimated by . The response has been too slow.”

And be completed as necessary to be a true description of most government departments atm.

I keep meaning update the Newcastle meeting thread with this; an excellent talk on prisons with some important stats and information.

One in 10 travellers in prison is identifying as transgender?

Very highly gendered societies tend to have higher incidence. Partially the homophobic stuff and partly because if no one cares what you wear/how you act/who you shag, what's to gain by transitioning?

And where male prisoners have a GRC (and remember you don't need any medical or surgical treatment to get a GRC), that means that they become female according to the MoJ. The MoJ statistics don't even count them as transgender.

You'd have to wonder how the MoJ looks after these prisoners' health needs if it can't even define what their sex is. I predict a lot of lawsuits in the future where the MoJ failed to provide the appropriate screening services for inmates.

And we have to remember that the MoJ uses a very narrow definition of transgender when it comes to statistics. The MoJ have defined 'transgender' as an inmate who has had a Case Review at the Transgender Panel. So a male inmate that wants to move to a women's prison basically.

If a female transgender inmate does not want to move to a men's prison, then the inmate would not request a Transgender Panel Case Review. Therefore, according to the MoJ, this inmate is not transgender.

It's funny how there isn't a similar increase in the numbers of female prisoners identifying as men, isn't it?

Whichever way you look at it, women lose. Having men in women's spaces is dangerous, but allowing women (transmen) into men's spaces also puts the woman at risk.

It's men. Men men fucking men and their fucking penises and need for control. They realised we were slowly starting to gain some actual power and their hold was slipping, and then decided the best way to control women is from the inside. In order to control women, you must become a woman. Except you fucking can't, you arrogant wankstains.

I'll admit that I'm still relatively new to the trans debate (if you can call a years worth of outrage and disbelief new) but something happened to DD on the weekend which has given me a whole new level of hatred for the misogynist pigs which seem to be invading every fucking space there is. I'm a bit ragey atm, on account of some high dose steroids, so I appreciate my reaction is a bit OTT. But still, fucking men.

According to Little Owen Jones we should welcome these new women with open arms. Only so called feminist bigots deny their self declared womanly essence.

Owen Jones is a misogynist a*hole.

MrsTerryPratchett, do we see 1 in 10 people in the general traveller community identifying as transgender though? Are 1 in 10 female people in the traveller community identifying as transgender?

Because that would really surprise me. Do these guys get out of prison, then expect their wife to become a lesbian? And the wider traveller community warmly welcomes them? Or does the transgender identity stay in prison because the person has no further use for it on the outside?

I agree with you in general though.

A background of strict gender roles in childhood, homosexuality being taboo is something we see a lot in later-transitioning males who identify as transgender.

There is often a very conservative, strict, religious or military upbringing where homosexuality is a sin. Attending male single-sex schools is another thing that a lot of late-transitioning male people have in common. We see it time and time again.

"Ministry of Justice (MoJ) figures in November said there were 139 transgender prisoners in 44 jails. Of the 42 in women’s jails, 22 were men who identified as female, while in male prisons 92 of the 97 were men identifying as women."

Does this mean that there are 5 trans men in men's prisons?