One in 50 prisoners identify as transexual

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"One in 50 prisoners identifies as transsexual, amid concerns inmates are attempting to secure prison perks"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/09/one-50-prisoners-identify-transsexual-first-figures-show-amid/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Is this like Orange is the New Black when everyone starts identifying as Jewish because they don’t have to eat slop?

Can they not just cut to the chase and Self-ID as innocent, and get let out for a feeling deep down inside that they didn't do it.

There's apparently 22 males currently in women's prisons.

Stat given in talk I linked upthread; I need to watch it again but got to go to bed with small.

"There's apparently 22 males currently in women's prisons".

There will be more than that.

Those male prisoners who have a Gender Recognition Certificate are counted as female, not transgender.

Lauren Jeska, who tried to murder Ralph Knibbs, is in a women's prison. Won't be considered as transgender, according to MoJ stats.

What's the men:women ratio in prisons?

When you read about the conditions especially in Birmingham it's hardly surprising so many suddenly decide they are trans so they can get special treatment. Add to that the possibility of being put in with women, women that can't escape and get away from them it's a no brainer esp for the sex offenders.

But never happens.

Why are they messing about identifying as women?
as pointed out by a previous poster they should just identify as innocent!

In the old days people would identify as vegetarian in order to get better food, this is just an extension of that

I believe the population at any given time is around 80,000 and that of those, 4,000 are women.

But still, fucking men. I’m with you mitebite. This and “what is wrong with these people? (As a general expression of bewilderment on issues ranging from voting hehaviour to animal welfare and stopping all stations between), seem to be the things I say more often than I care to count.

Yeah, so if those figures by PIVOT are right and 1 in 50 identify as transgender, then you'd have 1520 male inmates who identify as female in England and Wales.

So,if self-ID comes in and prisons are based on gender identity, the women's prison population would rise from 4000 to 5520. That same 2% of male prisoners would become 27% of all inmates in a women's prison.

Using those statistics above.

Of course if self-ID does come in, then there would be more than 1 in 50 male inmates wanting to transfer to a women's prison.

It is ridiculous, utterly ridiculous that these figures do not include GRC holders. Are we never allowed to analyse statistics about them? Especially given a paedophile actually got one while in jail.

A quarter to a third of the female prison population with penises. Sounds safe and sensible.

Also from Woman are Human

https://womenarehuman.com/four-times-as-many-men-in-prison-say-they-are-transgender-than-men-outside-of-prison/

Four Times as Many Men in Prison Than Outside of It Say They Are Transgender

First para:

England and Wales, UK – A recent survey found that the number of inmates in England and Wales who self-identify as transgender has surged to ten times previous estimates, such that one in 50 prisoners now say they are transgender. The numbers of men “transitioning to women” has increased so rapidly that officials express uncertainty as to how to manage the situation.

It's dire, it's going to get worse, and women are, as ever, the collateral damage.

I’d imagine that the women’s estate hasn’t got capacity for an extra 1000 prisoners overnight.

I think that the women’s estate and men’s is quite different. Women’s institutions tend to be smaller - 400-500 for some of them, versus men’s which 800-1000. There’s also the issue of prisoner categories - what with men’s being divided into categories that are sort of equivalent but not exactly. The women’s estate doesn’t necessarily have the capacity for many dangerous prisoners. There are of course dangerous female prisoners, but some of the crimes women are incarcerated for are very different to the crimes men are in for in the first place. Whatever the philosophical position, this is a logistical nightmare with the potential for exploitation by people who are trusted so little with the most ordinary aspects of their lives. ‘Applications’ have to be made for all kind of things.

A quarter to a third of the female prison population with penises. Sounds safe and sensible.

Worse in category A prisons. We don’t have them for women yet because there aren’t enough category A women but if you include category A transwomen there will be enough. We’d have category A women’s prison in which biological women are outnumbered by rapists.

It would be interesting to know what percentage began some kind of transition before conviction and how many ‘discovered’ they were trans when they were in prison.

If they carry on with this, they'll end up having to convert one or two male prisons to "female" prisons. They'll have to be mixed category and all the Cat As, as PPs have said, will be in with each other (which means no actual women as there are only about a dozen or two of them incarcerated at any one time). Also most of them will be situated many miles from home, which means few visitors, a more miserable stay, and increased recidivism on release.

And if this were to happen, I'll guarantee you that the number of trans identified prisoners suddenly reduces by a remarkable amount.

This such obvious bollocks. And dangerous to women. And they say we don't live in a patriarchy.

And isn't the MoJ setting itself up to be sued by all sides in this?

Why do they allow some males who self-ID as female but not other males who self-ID as female to transfer to women's prisons? Isn't that discrimination?

Why are some males with a GRC automatically allowed into women's prisons but other males with a GRC are only allowed in the transgender wing of a women's prison? Isn't that discrimination?

Why are female single-sex prisons open to male people? But male single-sex prisons are not open to female people? Isn't that discrimination?

Why do some males have the right to object to single-sex male accommodation but females are always forced to share accommodation with males? Isn't that discrimination against females? What rights do women have to object? None, it seems.

Male people have two options - they can either choose to stay in male single-sex accommodation (men's prison) or moved to mixed-sex accommodation (women's prison). So they have two choices at their disposal.

Women have no choice. They are forced into mixed-sex accommodation. Every time.

Put this on the other thread, which is about to be deleted as it is a duplicate.

I was responding to Packing who posted:

"DH works in the field of criminal justice, and pretty much everyone on the front line whether they are police, courts, prisons etc knows that most male offenders will try anything to subvert the system for gain".

This is Scotland's most dangerous offender according to the Daily Record.

Andrew Burns, now identifying as Tiffany Scott.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/transgender-prisoner-branded-one-scotlands-11837767

"In April 2016 we told how female prison officers refused to stripsearch Scott after she declared she was transgender.

Scott demanded only female officers did searches.

The previous year, warders at Glenochil were left furious when bosses told them they had to address Scott as Mighty Almighty after a name change".

Burns has convictions for assaulting four wardens and a nurse in prison, plus assaulting a nurse in hospital.

The charges of assaulting another warden and a female nurse in prison were dropped because Burns was deemed too dangerous to attend court.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/violent-prisoner-who-attacked-jail-10235444

The report, written by a senior Crown Office official, said: “The accused is an extremely volatile and dangerous man. He is routinely violent and will find any way he can of being disruptive and harming those around him.

“He has also attempted to escape on previous occasions.

“He also engages in dirty protests and refuses to be searched by G4S as he claims to identify as a woman.

“I have asked court police officers and G4S to conduct risk assessments should the accused go to trial.

“Both reports highlight the propensity this man has for violence and the lack of provisions for dealing with same at Alloa Sheriff Court.

“I have reached the conclusion that the public interest is not best served by proceeding with these trials.

“The potential for harm is too grave.”

The potential for harm is too grave. Indeed.

Self-ID would have him moved to a women's prison.

This was posted by @PackingSoapAndWater on the other thread which is about to be taken down.

DH works in the field of criminal justice, and pretty much everyone on the front line whether they are police, courts, prisons etc knows that most male offenders will try anything to subvert the system for gain.

It would have been blatantly obvious to anyone working front line in the prison service that, as soon as convicted felons learnt about this loophole, huge numbers of them would claim transgender status in the hope of a change to their living experience -- not necessarily moving to another prison or even a women's prison, but just a change in their circumstances ... like getting a guard to call them by a different name for shits and giggles.

What this story reveals to me is that senior figures in the Home Office have categorically ignored the concerns of those who understand offenders and prison culture. Because somewhere along the line, those front liners will have said "this policy will cause mayhem" and someone has chosen to ignore that.

That's the real story here in my eyes.

People in power know what is going to happen with these policies, and yet are implementing them anyway. Why?

This link which was also on the other thread tells the same story.

Written evidence submitted by British Association of Gender Identity Specialists to the Transgender Equality Inquiry

The converse is the ever-increasing tide of referrals of patients in prison serving long or indeterminate sentences for serious sexual offences. These vastly outnumber the number of prisoners incarcerated for more ordinary, non-sexual, offences. It has been rather naïvely suggested that nobody would seek to pretend transsexual status in prison if this were not actually the case. There are, to those of us who actually interview the prisoners, in fact very many reasons why people might pretend this. These vary from the opportunity to have trips out of prison through to a desire for a transfer to the female estate (to the same prison as a co-defendant) through to the idea that a parole board will perceive somebody who is female as being less dangerous through to a [false] belief that hormone treatment will actually render one less dangerous through to wanting a special or protected status within the prison system and even (in one very well evidenced case that a highly concerned Prison Governor brought particularly to my attention) a plethora of prison intelligence information suggesting that the driving force was a desire to make subsequent sexual offending very much easier, females being generally perceived as low risk in this regard. I am sure that the Governor concerned would be happy to talk about this.

Why are female single-sex prisons open to male people? But male single-sex prisons are not open to female people? Isn't that discrimination?
I think they are technically, but funnily enough no female trans-men in women's prison have forcefully demanded their way into the men's.

I'mm fairly new to the trans debate (lurking through FWR has really opened my eyes) so I'm sorry for asking something that's no doubt been answered many times before?

Does someone having a GRC certificate mean they can access single sex spaces including women's prisons despite the Equality Act single sex exemptions?

Surely instead of putting transwomen in women's prisons, transwomen should be in their own space? If there are around 1000 of them, that's a large enough number to warrant building new transwomen prisons or converting existing space.

The numbers of men “transitioning to women” has increased so rapidly that officials express uncertainty as to how to manage the situation

Officials are managing the situation by doing absolutely and precisely nothing at all or in some cases, just continue to facilitate the situation completely uncritically.

Because actually managing the situation actively would mean effort. And after all it’s only women who are at risk.