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Meet the Experts Training Police in the UK on Trans Issues

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LangCleg · 13/04/2019 10:22

Article drawing together the various incidents of police involvement in non criminal critiques of gender identity ideology and what training has been given, and by whom, to lead them to do this.

uncommongroundmedia.com/police-uk-trans-issues/

Contains the timeless PC quote “I’ve been on a course and what you need to understand is that you can have a foetus with a female brain that grows male body parts and that’s what a transgender person is."

One for the capture thread, I think.

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BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 13/04/2019 10:37

we learn that local radio DJ Stephanie Hirst, who once told Pink News ‘it was either tits or death’ delivers training to the Humberside force. In the Telegraph, Hirst said ‘ when…I was first wolf-whistled, it made me feel good’

fucking hell

presumably BDSM dominants give the police training on how to deal with GBH, and explain that it usually makes the victim feel good.

Lamaha · 13/04/2019 10:48

“I’ve been on a course and what you need to understand is that you can have a foetus with a female brain that grows male body parts and that’s what a transgender person is.”’

Hmm
BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 13/04/2019 10:50

Practically every line of that article is jaw droppingly quote worthy

Carol Steele of Transfigurations Devon seems very fond of using the word. Here Steele blames women who disagree with transgender ideology for male violence against people who identify as trans. Is that what Devon and Cornwall Police think too? They work with Transfigurations

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 13/04/2019 10:54

the force where I live aren't mentioned there, but they will have receveived this video

Essex Police’s Gina Denham appears in this video, created by Leicestershire Police and transgender activists Fox and Owl Fisher. Branded with the logo of the National Police LGBT+ network, the video also features Megan Key, Equalities Lead at the National Probation Service. In the video, Key misrepresents the Equality Act 2010 by saying that a trans-identifying colleague must be granted instant access to the facilities of their choice, and that staff who express concern should be subject to a disciplinary process

as apparently Julie Cooke, Merseyside Police assistant chief constable and LGBT+ lead for the National Police Chiefs council sent it to all forces

maybe I should write to the PCC?

OVAgroundWOMBlingfree · 13/04/2019 10:59

“I’ve been on a course and what you need to understand is that you can have a foetus with a female brain that grows male body parts and that’s what a transgender person is."

Oh aye?

Angryresister · 13/04/2019 11:06

And meanwhile actual women are being stalked and killed, not to mention the young people who are killed by other young men .

truthisarevolutionaryact · 13/04/2019 11:17

And they're experts in....... being trans. Not the law, not citizen's rights, not balancing competing rights or any other legal issues that the police would find useful. Just presenting a myriad of ways in which to subvert the law and remove the rights of women and children.

Identity politics writ large and enabled by the police. Idiots.

SisterWendyBuckett · 13/04/2019 11:44

A really good article that strings everything together.

However, if I sent this to a friend who knew little about trans issues (eg. most of the population) they would be so confused - about who was actually female and who was actually male.

This matters a lot. If you're confused (very easy) and think that those people who use female names are natal women then the motives and patterns are much harder to see. Never mind the Hmm over those who call themselves names such as Fox and Owl.

What a fantastic job done in queering names and therefore reality, so that you have to actually already know what is going on before you can know what is going on.

LangCleg · 13/04/2019 11:59

Are Devon and Cornwall Police aware of Steele’s misrepresentation of a crime victim and defence of the convicted perpetrator?

Moving east, Kent Police work with a group called TG Pals, whose members include former boxing promoter Kellie Maloney (another person who calls women ‘terfs’). Maloney has personally delivered training while being a self-confessed domestic violence perpetrator.

To quote just two.

It's very interesting to see that no due diligence appears to be happening as to who is invited to deliver this "training". Why? Women resident in the areas of the police forces mentioned might like to address this question to the elected commissioners.

Elections in 2020, dontchaknow.

Handy list of current commissioners here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_and_crime_commissioner#Electoral_system

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GirlDownUnder · 13/04/2019 13:51

Is this what regulatory capture looks like?

How is none of this being questioned?

It feels like we are being played against the middle, but to what aim?

R0wantrees · 13/04/2019 14:44

Essex Police’s Gina Denham appears in this video, created by Leicestershire Police and transgender activists Fox and Owl Fisher. Branded with the logo of the National Police LGBT+ network, the video also features Megan Key, Equalities Lead at the National Probation Service. In the video, Key misrepresents the Equality Act 2010 by saying that a trans-identifying colleague must be granted instant access to the facilities of their choice, and that staff who express concern should be subject to a disciplinary process

See TransgenderTrend's article from last year demonstrating Sgt Gina Denham's (now retired) influence on schools' policy:

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The whole campaign, from start to finish, took 6 days. No time to conduct a proper impact assessment on pupils protected under the protected characteristic ‘sex’ as the school is legally obliged to do before changing policy. How is this not in breach of Equality law? The pupil involved is legally male, not female, and single-sex provisions are lawful under the Equality Act, for reasons of privacy. The example of school facilities used in the Equality and Human Rights Commission Technical Guidance (3.20) does not state that a pupil protected under ‘gender reassignment’ as transsexual should be allowed to use the facilities of the opposite sex:

The way in which school facilities are provided can lead to discrimination. Example: A school fails to provide appropriate changing facilities for a transsexual pupil and insists that the pupil uses the boys’ changing room even though she is now living as a girl. This could be indirect gender reassignment discrimination unless it can be objectively justified. A suitable alternative might be to allow the pupil to use private changing facilities, such as the staff changing room or another suitable space.

King Edmund School is praised for showing “flexibility and openness to change” whereas in fact they were coerced by a campaign designed to intimidate and shame them for their ‘abusive’ policy of ‘discrimination’ and ‘segregation’, clearly risking damage to the school’s reputation. One tweeter even likened it to ‘apartheid.’

Although the final tweet proclaims ‘Everyone wins!’ Denham freely admits in this BBC report that the victory is only for the transgender student and everyone else’s needs and rights are unimportant:

“It’s about giving people the opportunity to use the toilet they are comfortable with, not what the school is comfortable with.”

So who is Gina Denham and what gives this individual so much power that a school changes its whole policy to cater to the demands of just one pupil?" (continues)

www.transgendertrend.com/who-is-making-policy-for-schools/

Gina Denham was also one of the panel members who may (or not) have required Dr Julia Long & other women were removed from the audience at the recent Accenture event:

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3539529-Lesbians-removed-from-Accenture-inclusive-trans-event-by-7-police-officers

R0wantrees · 13/04/2019 14:46

Is this what regulatory capture looks like?

How is none of this being questioned?

important recent thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3541908-Regulatory-capture

LangCleg · 13/04/2019 15:14

Is this what regulatory capture looks like?

Yes.

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GirlDownUnder · 13/04/2019 17:21

If we've (or maybe just me) been schooled, as in forever, that appeals to authority works because authority is 'neutral' I'm not even sure where I'm supposed to go, or who I'm supposed to ask.

Or is that the point? We don't ask? We don't turn to a 'parent' to complain our sibling is being unfair? We just do what we're doing - small acts of defiance (which are growing), making noise, meeting?

I sometimes feel overwhelmed with it all.

Thank you for talking.

OldCrone · 13/04/2019 21:34

How is none of this being questioned?

If nobody else is questioning this, maybe we need to.

From the transgendertrend article that R0wantrees linked to:

The whole campaign, from start to finish, took 6 days. No time to conduct a proper impact assessment on pupils protected under the protected characteristic ‘sex’ as the school is legally obliged to do before changing policy. How is this not in breach of Equality law? The pupil involved is legally male, not female, and single-sex provisions are lawful under the Equality Act, for reasons of privacy.

They can break as many laws as they want if nobody holds them to account. When organisations change policy like this, someone needs to do a Freedom of Information request asking to see their Equality Impact Assessment for this policy. They have to comply. I'm not sure where we go when they fail to produce one, though. It seems that the law does require them to do some sort of assessment.

Assessing the impact on equality of proposed changes to policies, procedures and practices is not just something the law requires, it is a positive opportunity for public authorities to ensure they make better decisions based on robust evidence. The assessment does not necessarily have to take the form of a document called an Equality Impact Assessment (EIA) but you can choose to do so if it is helpful.

However, the case law indicates that some form of documentary evidence of compliance with the Public Sector Equality Duty (PSED) is valuable to public authorities when defending their decisions in court.

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06591/SN06591.pdf

Voice0fReason · 13/04/2019 22:01

‘ when…I was first wolf-whistled, it made me feel good’
Aiming to be a man's idea of a woman.
Would have no comprehension of why women might object to that, not take it as a compliment or feel threatened by it.

GabrielleNelson · 14/04/2019 07:39

Agreed, Voic0fReason. If you're 6', built like a brick outhouse and getting a kick out of your new way of presenting to the world, being wolfwhistled probably does feel great. Less so if you're a 5' woman or teenage girl struggling to be seen as more than a collection of sexual body parts.

jamrollyolly · 14/04/2019 11:00

Great article thanks Lang, it pulls everything together so well. I'm just done being quiet about this, I'm going to post it to fb.

LangCleg · 14/04/2019 11:10

I'm going to post it to fb.

Good luck!

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jamrollyolly · 14/04/2019 12:52

Lang I also added that police commissioner link to the GC to do list thread.

LangCleg · 14/04/2019 13:10

Thank you!

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2BthatUnnoticed · 13/05/2019 00:09

Have people seen footage of the person in Liverpool (I believe) attacking the young women with a hammer, and later punching her repeatedly? (Not sure how to link sorry)

Well, it looks like the hammer wielder is someone who has trained the police on trans issues...

Meet the Experts Training Police in the UK on Trans Issues
Ereshkigal · 13/05/2019 01:11

Wow. I'd like to say it surprised me but 🤷🏻‍♀️

KatvonHostileExtremist · 13/05/2019 06:29

I saw that on Twitter.... looked for the hammer thread tho discuss, but it seems to be gone.

It's pretty damming if it's true.

Well done for adding to this thread 2b. The police have got questions to answer I think.

Meet the Experts Training Police in the UK on Trans Issues
2BthatUnnoticed · 13/05/2019 14:21

Yes it seems pretty conclusive - police trainer, and transwomen, charged with assault. I hope the media report on it properly.

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