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I stand with Lisa Muggeridge

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womanformallyknownaswoman Tue 15-Jan-19 08:30:09

Just that. Lisa has been scapegoated from all directions for being the truthsayer about austerity and it’s unconscionable impact on the lives of the marginalised, particularly lone mothers and their children. She talks with inside knowledge, as an experienced social worker, about how the systems established to support them have been decimated over many years by financialisation. In other words, putting money ahead of people has deliberately undermined the user design focus and purpose of those support frameworks, including the safeguarding of children. This has resulted in the re-creation of Victorian workhouse conditions, where poor and sick women and their children have no rights in practice and are subjected to handouts at the whim of kind benevolents, cementing their place as the underclass. Many women have been consigned to economic deprivation by such combinations as:

1. leaving adult male violence perpetrators and abusive relationships of all types (coercive control, financial/physical/sexual/economic violence)
2. being estranged from families that perpetrate family violence and don’t acknowledge their victimisation of children and adults
3. wholesale financial abuse enabled by divorce courts, that lead to women not getting their fair share of combined assets
4. being continually forced to compromise their own economic wellbeing for the safety and protection of themselves and their dependents
5. no secure housing tenure
6. frequent disruptive relocations
7. being sexually victimised as children and/or adults
8. being re-victimised by aggressive systems such as family court & hostile exes who never give up/weaponised welfare/ unjust judicial and law enforcement that protect abusers and harm victims
9. inadequate health systems
10. unaffordable quality child/elder care up until the age of majority/death
11. unreasonable demands and expectations on those with no/few support systems
12. being forced to live week to week, below the poverty line, whilst in the front firing line from many hostile bodies listed above

In other words, instead of getting what they need to get back on their feet, women and children experience 360-degree withholding from opposed systems designed to keep them in their place, at the bottom, as punishment for daring to stand up for their rights. These are the women and children who should be getting wrap-around, caring support but who experience exactly the opposite. And what makes it worse is no-one, but no-one, is seeing things from their perspective and making a no-holes-barred, informed stand for them-never mind about having the unique informed, lived-experience, insider view of a social worker as well as a user. But Lisa does and is wilfully discounted and ignored, as her views take no account of wokeness or of social standing. Her sole focus is advocating for mothers and children against exploiters – ranging from sexual to financial to reputational predators who use the marginalised for their own ends.

Lisa pulls no punches in her condemnation of the wilful blindness of all the people who have enabled this – whether from academics, politicians, professionals, media, service deliverers or the like – she takes no prisoners in her advocating for fit-for-purpose safeguarding. Like many other brave women, her speaking out against abuse has made her a target of many – including those whose professional, personal and ethical competence she questions. Lisa, like all of us, is not perfect. Maybe her delivery could do with some refinement. Irrespective, she wears her heart and her outrage on her sleeve. She has neither backup nor family “bank” to support her. Any income she gets has to be declared and taxed and adversely affects her below poverty line welfare subsistence. She has a child to care for and protect as well as try to find income. She has been harassed from a decade's long stalker, who operates outside of the law. Why the disparity between her treatment and that of those able to evade taxation, afford PR, “finishing” coaching plus bring lawyers in to invoke the misnamed justice system?

I find it especially distressing and angry-making that women who have the public platform to speak out about these effects on mothers and children choose to stay silent. One wonders why. Is it for the sake of their woke reputations, confining their support only in so much as it bolsters their “good person” image, protecting their own reputation by supporting the wilfully blind line of whatever party or body they align with? All sides of politics, academia, media and service deliverers have been complicit in a gross failure of care for vulnerable women and children, most of whom are there through no fault of their own, but from the unacknowledged, covert guerrilla warfare of the hostile forces mentioned above. These women and children need the support of the herd and particularly of other women.

Why do so many people, including women, with a public platform to do so, choose not to condemn austerity, all of those complicit in it plus its dire adverse effects on mothers and children? Why do so many, including women, choose not to speak out about the safeguarding frameworks undermined by austerity that anti-women forces seek to exploit? Why do people, including women, attack Lisa publicly, knowing her back is to the wall, instead of seeking mediation if they have a gripe? That’s the elephant in the room.

I stand with Lisa.

Here’s a 10 min video that was my introduction to Lisa and her stance

Another one about why aren’t more MPs talking about austerity

Please ignore any personal attacks of Lisa that may occur in the thread (past behaviour of a few being a good predictor of future action), in order to keep the conversation going about austerity, the ongoing wall of silence and lack of advocates. Otherwise, it will be derailed and the important conversation about the complicity from all sides deflected. Please play the ball, not the person. If someone has a personal gripe with Lisa, they can take up elsewhere with her.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman Tue 15-Jan-19 08:36:11

Lisa’s work is so valuable. It is beyond wrong that she should suffer for speaking the truth.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain Tue 15-Jan-19 08:39:39

Having a class-based analysis of sexism attracts a lot of punishment at the moment, but having a class-based analysis of class apparently leads to utter excommunication

Bowlofbabelfish Tue 15-Jan-19 08:40:13

I’m struck by how easy it is to target and silence a working class woman, with no establishment ties, who is in a precarious situation financially. And who needs to keep her child safe.

The way she’s treated should make us all take note. And it should make us see that solidarity is very important, even more so when we are women with no establishment ties, or money, to buffer us.

LangCleg Tue 15-Jan-19 08:45:18

Having a class-based analysis of sexism attracts a lot of punishment at the moment, but having a class-based analysis of class apparently leads to utter excommunication

This.

Lisa has done work that joined dots for me and, as she would put it, corrected some of my blindspots. I'll always be grateful.

womanformallyknownaswoman Tue 15-Jan-19 09:04:46

The way she’s treated should make us all take note. And it should make us see that solidarity is very important, even more so when we are women with no establishment ties, or money, to buffer us.

This.

It seems that most prefer keeping their establishment ties even when they have the capacity and freedom to speak out

womanformallyknownaswoman Tue 15-Jan-19 09:10:07

Having a class-based analysis of sexism attracts a lot of punishment at the moment, but having a class-based analysis of class apparently leads to utter excommunication

This. It's very telling isn't it, as though class doesn't exist....is this what the complicity in neocon ideology has brought us to - the banning of the word class and those who use it

womanformallyknownaswoman Tue 15-Jan-19 09:11:01

Lisa’s work is so valuable. It is beyond wrong that she should suffer for speaking the truth.

This!

YetAnotherSpartacus Tue 15-Jan-19 09:13:31

I love Lisa's stuff. It worried me a couple of months ago though when she went off SM because of harassment and bullying as well as potential doxing. She looked very unwell. I was glad she took a break. Is she back?

YetAnotherSpartacus Tue 15-Jan-19 09:14:33

Also, if she isn't, I'm not really comfortable with this thread. Maybe she just wants to be in peace for a while?

gcscience Tue 15-Jan-19 09:18:09

I totally support Lisa and her very valuable work. It's extremely difficult to publicise the way women and children are affected by austerity when you and your child are actually victims yourselves. The effects of Universal Credit are astonishingly directed against women and children. The benefit cap, the two child limit, the rape clause, the childcare payments, the monthly structure, the work allowance rules...

deepwatersolo Tue 15-Jan-19 09:21:36

I also stand with Lisa Muggeridge. Heck, someone on here once 'accused' me of being Lisa Muggeridge, because I argued her positions so relentlessly. Lisa's Youtube vids taught me a lot and her analysis regarding austerity (and how happily it has been embraced by much of Labour leadership) is spot on. It has been very disheartening to see how Lisa was attacked by some (I presume middle or upper class) women on the Left who are apparently blind to class and have attacked and vilified Lisa for not shutting up about being sold down the river as a working class woman by 'the Left' with their acquiescence to austerity.

deepwatersolo Tue 15-Jan-19 09:22:41

Also, if she isn't, I'm not really comfortable with this thread. Maybe she just wants to be in peace for a while?

You may be right Spartacus.

YetAnotherSpartacus Tue 15-Jan-19 09:25:09

Yes - if Lisa has not posted anything new, and if we know she has enemies, why stir a hornets' next?

womanformallyknownaswoman Tue 15-Jan-19 09:26:03

Also, if she isn't, I'm not really comfortable with this thread. Maybe she just wants to be in peace for a while?

My post is not intended to get Lisa back on here - quite the contrary. It's to voice some support for her when she's seemingly getting lashed from all sides - that's all.

womanformallyknownaswoman Tue 15-Jan-19 09:29:29

Plus not let the austerity silence get lost in her enforced absence

YetAnotherSpartacus Tue 15-Jan-19 09:29:48

I wasn't insinuating it was to get her back on here - is she still active elsewhere? I know she went into 'recluse mode'. Is she out of this and active on SM again?

TallulahWaitingInTheRain Tue 15-Jan-19 09:30:12

There are a number of new posts on her blog

idgeofreason.wordpress.com

TallulahWaitingInTheRain Tue 15-Jan-19 09:32:28

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF Tue 15-Jan-19 09:38:39

I too thought she'd decided to go lower profile (including not promoting her new blog) and, knowing how many TRAs/MRAs lurk here, is it really a good idea to draw attention to her when she says such attention is placing her at greater risk?

R0wantrees Tue 15-Jan-19 09:40:19

I started reading Lisa Muggeridge's blog, 'The Idge of Reason' last year and followed her briefly on Twitter.

Her understanding of narcissistic pattern abusive behaviour was (& is) pertinent to understanding the ways in which FWR and women standing up for Safeguarding and Women's Rights were being attacked.

Lisa Muggeridge was targetted by Twitter TRAs (just as Miranda Yardley, Venice Allen, Posie Parker, Meghan Murphy and many more women have been)

When I started a thread about her suspension here, the extent to which not just Lisa Muggeridge personally but any discussion about her work was relentlessly targetted became clear.

It was shocking at the time.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3284251-Lisa-Muggeridge-Suspended-by-Twitter-and-Quoting-her-breaches-MN-Guidelines

Lisa's YouTube videos share her insight and professional knowledge of Social Care, Safeguarding and Child Protection. This informed perspective and assessment is such an important one.

It increasingly clear how many influential policy makers & influencers not only do not understand and respect the Safeguarding frameworks which protect children and vulnerable adults but are actively undermining these frameworks.

Lisa Muggeridge wrote two years ago:
"Take a world where it is finally possible for people to address gender dysphoria, create the medical treatment that allows the gender binary to disappear. Take many trans people, living and working(if they can get work) and trying find a way to settle the way they feel inside with the bodies God gave them. Take a society who won’t accept it, add violence, poverty, difficulty accessing healthcare and slowly but surely watch as these people fight for their right to be accepted as who they are. Add some missteps along the way, because the fight for acceptance is never straightforward and one person gaining rights often means someone else having to give way.

Add inequality, so those people just trying to live their lives, in a landscape most won’t experience, are lost behind the most vocal, the most narcissistic abusive men, who see an opportunity in the gender binary disappearing to attack the progress women have made. Add twitter. A medium where you can form an identity online, attached to nothign, and impact policy in a way never seen before. Add online tribes of narcissists forming to attack women under the guise of rights for the many trans people just trying to get by. Add high profile campaigns which sek to do nothing but silence and erase women, and drive women out of the public sphere. Add a word like TERF which allows you to openly fantasise about killing and beating women, while you call it feminism. Add online swarms who will threaten and abuse women who refuse to change their reality, perception and gender to suit these people. Add a new condition that lesbians must be forced to like cock from now on or its transphobic. Add an Oxbridge left who want violent misogyny rebranded as feminism, and add unstable misogynist narcissists dependent on mood stabilisers to defame doctors on television and fabricate allegations of sexual abuse, while offering fake statistics about child suicide. Add demands that women and girls have all protection from male violence removed, and demands that women are never mentioned. Introduce The Sun newspaper, playing on well founded fears that violent and abusive men will exploit the gender binary disappearing, by suggesting a famous child killer and rapist will have a sex change in order to get into a women’s prison. It doesn’t have to be true.

Hey presto you have a backlash. Feminism is littered with these backlashes. The abusive narcissists who exploited the gender binary disappearing get their moment in the sun and get to vent their hatred of women.

The living rooms who were oblivious to the people just trying to live their lives, access healthcare, be accepted, are told that the activists who want to vent violent misogyny, are those people. They are told that these people getting access to healthcare, protection, and acceptance is actually this misogynist culture and any recognition of violent misogyny is transphobia. They are told to accept violent misogyny which threatens children as equality for transsexuals. They are told that children who are confused about their gender will commit suicide if they are not immediately treated as transsexual, and recognise that this is disturbing abusive emotional blackmail. The people in those living rooms, recognising a dangerous culture when they see one don’t really care that this is just a nasty culture exploiting real inequality. They react. They bridle against this as any reasonable person would when faced with such dangerous and deranged demands. The cause of trans equality is set back decades. Go back to the people who just wantd to address structural inequality, to live their lives in a world where it was finally possible to address gender dysphoria. Take many trans people, living and working(if they can get work) and trying find a way to settle the way they feel inside with the bodies God gave them. Take a society who won’t accept it, add violence, poverty, difficulty accessing healthcare and slowly but surely watch as these people fight for their right to be accepted as who they are. Aware that they were so close, before elite activists, naiive students, and violent misogynists took away the progress they made so they could attack women and erase their existence.

The backlash is nearly here. It will be grim. It will be widespread and the people who will pay for it are not people like ***, who will go back to being a mentally unstable lawyer with all the privilege of being **, while the trans people who didn’t have an interest in violent misogyny and access to media, suffer the consequences."

idgeofreason.wordpress.com/2017/01/16/recipe-for-backlash/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

It is very important not to enable women to be silenced.

“Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings.”
–Heinrich Heine

Censorship and persecution go together. The dangers of censorship are well known.

LangCleg Tue 15-Jan-19 09:41:15

Unsure she wants the new blog publicised, Tallulah. Y'think y'could withdraw that post? Sorry!

Anyway. Purpose of thread is to discuss the substance of Lisa's work. As I said above, she's been inspirational to me in tying together disparate thoughts of my own into one, comprehensive understanding of class, austerity and power dynamics.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain Tue 15-Jan-19 09:47:01

Reported

LangCleg Tue 15-Jan-19 09:50:54

Thanks, darling. Sorry!

R0wantrees Tue 15-Jan-19 10:06:20

Her understanding of narcissistic pattern abusive behaviour was (& is) pertinent to understanding the ways in which FWR and women standing up for Safeguarding and Women's Rights were being attacked

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3452784-Coercive-Control-a-need-for-better-awareness

R4 at 11pm today, Narcs and narcissists
I Feel for You
'At a time when we are being told we need more empathy, some experts claim narcissism is on the rise. Social media seems obsessed with 'narcs'. Jolyon Jenkins investigates.'

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