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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Paris Green

71 replies

SarahJane73 · 19/11/2018 00:38

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/transgender-murderer-paris-green-to-have-reassignment-surgery-on-nhs-hl80fnl7k

"Green began her sentence at Cornton Vale women’s prison in Stirling but was moved after reports that she had had sex with other prisoners in her cell. She is now held in a women’s wing at Edinburgh prison."

Eh? How does that solve the problem?

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TrashyTerf · 19/11/2018 03:42

I presume that they are now in a single cell rather than sharing?

But yes, it doesn't read well. It isn't up to The Times' usual standards.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 19/11/2018 07:14

Extracts:

One experienced officer said: “Most of the people I’ve discussed this with think it’s outrageous. You can murder someone brutally but while you’re in prison you’re entitled to everything you ask for, no matter the burden you put on a stretched system, because it might breach your human rights to say no.

“What about the rights of the victim and his family? Is anyone thinking of them? Is it not another slap in the face they could do without?”

Another officer said: “This will be a logistical and security nightmare for the prison service and for the health service, and they have more important things to worry about.

“This is not a life-saving operation. It is not vital to keep Green healthy. If you’re serving life for murder, I think some things should be outside your reach and this is one of them.”

She was jailed for life and ordered to serve at least 18 years in prison in November 2013 after she was found guilty of murder at the High Court in Edinburgh. Green and two accomplices lured Robert Shankland, 45, to her flat, tied him up and tortured him for hours, beating him so badly that they left a footprint on his neck. They also sexually assaulted him with a rolling pin.

Judge John Morris said at the trial: “It beggars belief you could act towards another human in this way. You left the victim, even in death, without any dignity.”

Green began her sentence at Cornton Vale women’s prison in Stirling but was moved after reports that she had had sex with other prisoners in her cell. She is now held in a women’s wing at Edinburgh prison.

The questions to be asked are "Is present policy fit for purpose and in the spirit of the law"?

womanformallyknownaswoman · 19/11/2018 07:27

Prisons have a statutory duty of care to keep women in prison safe - is that sufficiently reflected in current prison policy?

Serfisafleur · 19/11/2018 07:30

This person is male right? Why do they keep referring to them as "she" fgs.

scepticalwoman · 19/11/2018 09:31

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/transgender-murderer-paris-green-to-have-reassignment-surgery-on-nhs-hl80fnl7k?shareToken=e28c508614494880c94a7eeec1ace75e

Interesting to note that the Times isn't allowing any comments about this - which is not their usual practice.

happydappy2 · 19/11/2018 10:41

OMG the fact this will cost £20'000, possibly even up £60'000 whilst the crime they have committed was horrendous-no wonder The Times aren't taking comments. Why oh why are the powers that be allowing tax payers money to be spent in this way?

happydappy2 · 19/11/2018 10:43

OP it might be an idea to edit the title to include a little more detail? This really is an awful story and so unfair on the victims family.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 19/11/2018 10:45

I always wonder at statements like "had sex with other prisoners" -

It's possible it's all consensual but it's equally possible it's not. Rape / coercion etc

This person is extremely violent, and will be much bigger and stronger than most of the women they are locked in with. They are also a sex offender.

I would not assume that all these women they are "having sex with" are necessarily 100% all for it TBH.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 19/11/2018 10:47

The risk of pregnancy is something that can;t be ignored either, no matter how much the gender feelz crew claim that sex is a "social construct".

At least if they get castrated that risk will be gone, the other risks relating to them being an extremely violent sex offender will not though.

needmorespace · 19/11/2018 12:16

It will reach a wider audience herewww.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6405081/Transgender-murderer-serving-life-sentence-granted-gender-reassignment-surgery-NHS.html

No comfort but this nonsense is now out there and there can be no unscrambling of the egg.

I thought we were told these things never happen?

needmorespace · 19/11/2018 12:16

sorry no clicky link but pretty much the same details as the Times

YetAnotherSpartacus · 19/11/2018 12:22

It's appalling that they refer to this individual as 'she'.

NottonightJosepheen · 19/11/2018 12:26

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Needmoresleep · 19/11/2018 12:31

Clicky link

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6405081/Transgender-murderer-serving-life-sentence-granted-gender-reassignment-surgery-NHS.html

I once met a prison dentist, who suggested access to dental care was far better in prison than outside because prisons are worried about being sued. I assume the same may apply to surgery.

ErrolTheDragon · 19/11/2018 12:31

Why is 'breast augmentation' provided for free? There are many flat-chested women who'd probably find it psychologically beneficial and actually very much part of their 'gender identity'.Confused

R0wantrees · 19/11/2018 12:35

I often wonder how many people (understandably) assume that 'reassignment surgery' means always genital surgery when of course for many people 'transitioning' m2f is may instead be plastic surgery inserting breast implants, facial modifications etc.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 19/11/2018 12:37

There are 460 comments under the Daily Mail article. Less than a handful support this. Literally.

HomeStar · 19/11/2018 12:45

I can't get over the fact that apparently Paris SHARED A CELL with female prisoners. I'm actually so flabbergasted I'm doing tabloid capitals.

Or am I interpreting it wrong? Does it just mean women went to Paris's cell to have sex? It's such a gross abuse that should never have been allowed to happen, either way.

Serfisafleur · 19/11/2018 12:51

Rowan absolutely.
For all we know this individual is simply getting fake tits and a face lift, nothing else.

Floisme · 19/11/2018 12:55

I've seen some crazy stuff on here but I had to check this wasn't a spoof (sorry op).

I can't say too much without bringing out my inner John Junor but what the fucking fucketing fuck?

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 19/11/2018 12:58

Given that PG was one of three who sexually assaulted their victim with a rolling pin I can't see why the construction of a neovagina would make PG safe to be held among women in prison. I would have thought maximum security would be appropriate, though I'm no expert.

NottonightJosepheen · 19/11/2018 13:02

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OvaHere · 19/11/2018 13:05

So much wrong with this whole situation. The government and prison service are going to have to get to grips with this issue in a sensible way because the numbers are going to go up and up.

Anyone who is serving a life sentence or just enjoys fucking with the system will revel in the opportunity to demand all sorts based on the notion of trans rights and specifically self ID.

VickyEadie · 19/11/2018 13:07

So much wrong with this whole situation. The government and prison service are going to have to get to grips with this issue in a sensible way because the numbers are going to go up and up.

Anyone who is serving a life sentence or just enjoys fucking with the system will revel in the opportunity to demand all sorts based on the notion of trans rights and specifically self ID.

THIS. And in particular, if self-id is brought into law, the number of male prisoners realising that you don't - under self-id - even have to make yourself look like a woman will rocket.