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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Susie Green

128 replies

SlowlyShrinking · 06/11/2018 17:51

Is the implication that she supports this? I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised, but fucking hell!!

Susie Green
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OldCrone · 06/11/2018 17:59

She also thinks that the solution to the problems caused by puberty blockers is to start children on cross-sex hormones at a younger age.

twitter.com/green_susie100/status/1059177316901904394

LemonJello · 06/11/2018 18:01

Think about how invested mothers get in the bf v ff stuff, and that is utterly inconsequential compared to a decision to sterilise your underage child. There’s a massive need to validate ones own choices as a parent.

If you had taken your child abroad for a procedure that was illegal in this country, and rightly faced criticism for this, you would grasp at anything that affirmed your decision as the right one.

VickyEadie · 06/11/2018 18:03

There’s a massive need to validate ones own choices as a parent.

That's a very good point.

placemats · 06/11/2018 18:06

Who would do this?

It's a bypass of all good safeguarding.

It screams of Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy at best.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 06/11/2018 18:13

I think the very idea of that should be criminal. Fortunately, there seem to be global legal protections against it.

LemonJello · 06/11/2018 18:18

Susie Green has to be right and us wrong, because otherwise how can she live with what she’s done? That’s why she went after Posie with such a vengeance. Susie cannot have down what Posie said she did, so Posie must be shut up.

I believe Mermaids is all about encouraging others to do the same as she did so she can sleep at night.

If Mermaids wasn’t so harmful and dangerous I would have immense amounts of sympathy for her. We all want to do what’s right by our kids, and even imagining the possibility that you might have harmed them is unbearable.

SlowlyShrinking · 06/11/2018 18:19

The usual comeback from TRAs/handmaidens/woke blokes is ‘oh children don’t have genital surgery or hormones’
But they will if the CEO of the influential transchildren charity, Mermaids, gets her way Angry

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mirandayardley · 06/11/2018 18:20

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SlowlyShrinking · 06/11/2018 18:20

I believe Mermaids is all about encouraging others to do the same as she did so she can sleep at night

Sadly, I’m starting to think this is true.

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BrickByBrick · 06/11/2018 18:21

'Cis' people cannot just get any surgery they want, and even at 40 with 3 dc if I went to my GP and asked for a hysterectomy they wouldn't just go 'ok' it would be fully explored before being refused

VickyEadie · 06/11/2018 18:21

That bit about psych assessment not being required for "c*s" (sic) surgeries' is ironic, given that no woman asking for sterilisation without having had a flock of kids is ever given one.

JellySlice · 06/11/2018 18:24

And I have a surgeon refuse to carry out minor surgery on me because he felt that I was too emotional and distressed to be able to give consent.

I did eventually have the surgery, but a few weeks later, and I had to convince him that I was stable and calm.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 06/11/2018 18:32

How can anyone read Susie Green saying 'removal of the sterilsation clause is key to getting the surgery I think should be performed on children' and then

  • invite her onto a TV programme as an authority on how to deal with gender non conforming children
  • ask her to give evidence to a parliamentary committee about how to deal with gender non conforming children
  • ask her organisation to provide any kind of training to the police

etc etc

really, what the actual hell are people thinking?

mirandayardley · 06/11/2018 18:34

All the trans groups that target children exist for the validation of adult, whether the parents who affirm the transgender identity in their young child or the trans adults who support these groups with funds and social media munitions to silence criticism.

SlowlyShrinking · 06/11/2018 18:34

It’s hard to imagine anything more sinister really

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SlowlyShrinking · 06/11/2018 18:36

All the trans groups that target children exist for the validation of adult

How is this being allowed to happen?

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GemmeFatale · 06/11/2018 18:38

It feels relevant to say when my mother (in her fourties at that time) needed a mastectomy because of aggressive breast cancer she still had to convince the team she was psychologically fit to cope with the surgery and how her body would be after.

mirandayardley · 06/11/2018 18:38

How is this being allowed to happen?

Money.

Trans is a goldmine.

BitOfFun · 06/11/2018 18:39

It's like putting Dracula in charge of the blood bank!

R0wantrees · 06/11/2018 18:41

James Kirkup, Spectator May 2018:
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"Despite its influence, it is worth noting what Mermaids is not. It is not a research body. Its activities are support (for families) and advocacy: based on its contacts with those families, it argues for what it sees are better policies and practices by the NHS and others. It does not carry out or commission clinical or academic research. Its most recent annual report lists among its charitable activities “campaigning and advocacy” and says: “Mermaids has also become more active in lobbying”.

There is regular dialogue between Mermaids and the GIDS, but the two sides do not always agree. An example is on the time the GIDS team take to give referred children the hormone-blocking drugs that stop their bodies developing the physical characteristics associated with their birth sex.

In evidence to another Commons inquiry in 2015, Mermaids argued that GIDS should make such drugs available much more quickly. The GIDS team has generally resisted that call, more than once saying that “any decision around hormone treatment needs time and considered thought.”

And in evidence to that earlier committee, Dr Bernadette Wren of the GIDS said this:

“I know that Susie and Mermaids would like a fast track so that young people who are already well into puberty and feel that they know that they want to move forward into physical intervention would bypass our assessment process and move straight into physical intervention. We feel that is not an ethical way to practise.”

Here’s another summary. A transgender charity that says it is engaged in lobbying lobbied politicians and doctors to change the way children are treated by doctors. The doctors declined to make that change because it would be not be ethical to do so." (continues)

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

noraclavicle · 06/11/2018 18:41

Could someone explain what the ‘sterilisation clause’ is, please?

Yambabe · 06/11/2018 18:41

Um. She got a word wrong there.

She's typed "cisgender surgery" (wtf even is that?) when I think she should have written "necessary surgery".

I could be wrong but I always thought psychological assessment was absolutely vital for most cosmetic surgeries if they are being done by the NHS. Try walking into your GP and asking for a breast reduction or enlargement, gastric band, nose job, etc etc etc. They don't just tell you to pack your nightie and turn up at the hospital next month ffs, you get assessed about how much the condition is affecting your mental health and overall quality of life.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 06/11/2018 18:42

How is this being allowed to happen?

I think it's called the Milgram Effect.
It's the obedience to authority verses personal conscience.

Or the man in a white coat telling people to shock the monkey experiment.

Iused2BanOptimist · 06/11/2018 18:42

Psychological assessment is done for quite a few operations. Donating a kidney as a live donor is one that comes to mind.

I also know assessment is required before some breast surgery although admittedly that is more to see if you "pass the test" for instance prove you are sufficiently upset by the size (large or small) of your breasts to qualify for the relevant surgery on the nhs. And if women have to go through that (albeit for reasons of cost and rationing) it seems reasonable that people wanting the same operations for gender identity reasons should be similarly assessed - at a purely cost benefit level to reduce the risk of de transitioning and associated expense of additional surgeries as well as potential law suits.