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Vive la Revolution! Harnessing the economic power of women concerned about self-id - call to action capitalist comrades!

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MrsFogi · 05/10/2018 09:22

Since the Ocado boycott I have been mulling over this. There are clearly many, many people concerned about self-id and the way that public debate about an issue with huge ramifications for women's and children's rights being stifled. To date there has been a sense of fear about speaking out in our own names but many have stuck their head above their parapet with Ocado and, generally, the issues are getting a bit more coverage in some areas of the press. We are still at the point where some groups may label discussion as "hate speech" but this is not yet enshrined in law. "Yet" is the operative word here and it is not inconceivable that at some point in the foreseeable future it will become very difficult to discuss the issue for fear of being open to prosecution. So now is the time for action.

I spend a lot of money each year and from today I am going to spend a short amount of time every evening emailing companies I use (I am going to work through my old credit card statements to identify them). Those who have taken a stand (such as Ocado) I will boycott and will let them know why. Those who need to have a view on the issues I will email to ask their stance and then boycott if I am not comfortable with their response (e.g. I am still awaiting a response from my gym). Those who I spend money with/donate to I will email to let them know that I feel strongly about the issue and that I hope they take into account the potential concerns of women when/if they take a company view on the issues or if they are ever approached by TRAs to influence the debate through their contracts (e.g. Ocado and Primesight).

I have absolutely no problem doing this in my own name, I am a customer of these companies and have every right to ensure that I only spend my money with companies who are not complicit in the erosion of women's rights.

I sincerely hope that other MNers will consider doing the same - having seen Ocado I think that if companies start hearing from their customers they may be forced to think about the issues and realise that there is not just one side to the issue. They may also think twice before using their economic clout to undermine or pressure companies that are supporting women. Even if they do not, at the very least, the person reading the email may have their eyes opened and, on an individual basis, become interested in the issue.

I genuinely think this is one of the most powerful tools we have as a (very large) group. The trans movement is relying on us spending most of our time talking to each other which whilst annoying (and being "literal violence") will not stop the juggernaut.

Whenever I find the time I will post the wording of some emails here in case it is of assistance to others in doing theirs (and feel free to do so too) in all these emails I will be suggesting that the company takes a look at the Fair Play for Women website.

I will also start to try to list companies that already seem to have taken a stance so that anyone joining me can factor this in to our communications and buying decisions (again feel free to add to the list on this thread). It is of course of fundamental importance that every time we take a decision not to use a company because of their stance we let them know.

Got to work now to earn the money that gives me some clout in this world despite my sex but in the meanwhile anyone who wants to join my Gender Critical Economic Revolution - welcome capitalist comrades!

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MrsFogi · 05/10/2018 09:27

So a few companies whilst I am on a roll (and before I get down to work for the day):

Ocado - obviously! Boycott due to their pressure on PrimeSight to take down the adult human female billboard and their misogynistic stance. We want a public apology and retraction not just platitudes to individual customers;

Marks and Spencer - I won't be buying underwear or any clothes there because I don't fancy sharing a changing room with men

Top Shop - I won't by buying dds' clothes here see M&S for reasons equally I understand they are launching a range for grown ups so I won't be buying this

Birds Eye - I understand are allies - can anyone say why so that I can email them to tell them that I will be getting my fish fingers etc from them

NSPCC will not be getting any donations due to their egregious failure to speak out on the issue

Girl Guides I have chosen Scouts for the dds (whilst Scouts are not perfect on the issue at least it does not purport to be a single sex organisation)

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Popchyk · 05/10/2018 09:34

Bannatyne Health Clubs - Duncan Bannatyne this week has been tweeting that "The problem is that if a man can just choose to be a woman and demand access to female changing rooms and toilets it will be abused". So he sees the problems.

And Mumsnet - have been allowing discussion on here. Which is pretty revolutionary.

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MrsFogi · 05/10/2018 09:43

Good point Popchyk some good guys (who I will underline so they don't look like the bad guys in bold):

Mumsnet about the only place to allow discussion of the topic, Mumsnet I will be clicking through your links going forward

The Harlequin Pub in Sheffield allowed Womens Place UK to meet - I have already told them that although I only visit Leeds a couple of times a year I will be ensuring that whenever I do I will be visiting to eat and drink, I am also following them on Twitter and giving them lots of likes

National Autistic Society have distanced themselves from Mermaids so I will be seeking out people running the marathon/seeking sponsorship for them and will be telling these people why they are getting sponsorship from me

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DayMay · 05/10/2018 09:44

meanwhile anyone who wants to join my Gender Critical Economic Revolution - welcome capitalist comrades!


Cyber and £ revolution to liberate women - you can start from your bed.

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MrsIcandothis · 05/10/2018 09:45

Long time lurker here!

Ocado - got whole family to boycott last week. Also rang and spoke with their CS as advocated.

MS - will be boycotting then. They're not getting my christmas spend, and bye bye clothes for DD.

Birdseye - thanks to mumsnet I now suddenly stock loads of birdeye products in my freezer Smile

Topshop - don't use them anyway

NSPCC - always been critical of them and have never been a supporter

Girls Guides - I remain exasperated by their decision to adopt self ID before the GRA consultation has even been completed. How can their actions be deemed proportionate?

BTW - I thought JB was good yesterday on the PM interview. I thought that Ruth Hunt clearly prioritises her political career above all else.

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MrsFogi · 05/10/2018 09:47

Womens Equality Party I will be asking them to remove all my details from their database their stance on the issue throws women under the bus although I think they may see the light at some point given that they are being attached for breaching RightThink (when they do I will let them have my details again)

Youth Hostels I won't be using due to the possibility of ending up sharing with a man

Lush crazy woke company I won't be using even though I like their shampoo and conditioner

Cancer Research no donations or sponsorship from me due to their ads/information on cervical screening erasing the notion of women

Green Party will be told there is no way they will be getting my vote due to their stance on the issue

Liberal Democrats see Green Party and I will be pointing out how offensive (literal violence again) I find many of their tweets on the issue

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MrsFogi · 05/10/2018 09:53

Bannatyne Health Clubs if my current gym does not respond in a satisfactory way (emailed them two days ago....clearly they are thinking through their response.....) I will be considering joining - more expensive that my current gym and a bit further away but assuming the policies around changing rooms reflect Duncan Bannantyne's tweets they may be the only possibility for maintaining my amazing physique Hmm

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SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 05/10/2018 10:00

Ahem, the Harlequin is in Sheffield! [message from MNHQ - thanks, we've edited this now]

Ironically, I was thinking of giving Ocado a try, I'll cancel that plan now and stick with Waitrose and Aldi.

I seem to be boycotting all political parties. I left the Labour party last year, and now have no idea who to vote for. Not one of them is prepared to represent women.

On the other hand, Birds Eye have become my frozen food purveyor of choice.

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R0wantrees · 05/10/2018 10:02

Cancer Research no donations or sponsorship from me due to their ads/information on cervical screening erasing the notion of women

Do please consider supporting one of the Gyny Cancer Charities that do centre women, talk about women, are guided by the needs of women and do not censor the words 'woman/women'

There are a few.

They do amazing work.

Its important work.

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MrsFogi · 05/10/2018 10:06

Sorry Harlequin Pub Sheffield I have Leeds on the brain since the whole council craziness!!!

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SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 05/10/2018 10:14

MrsFogi - I can see why, Leeds does seem to crop up a lot. They're an odd bunch up there.

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DayMay · 05/10/2018 10:16

Birds eye do the best peas.

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ShotsFired · 05/10/2018 10:18

Caledonian sleeper train - they won't tell you if you are about to share a confined space for sleeping with a man. They blatantly ignored me asking 4 or 5 times to clarify this publicly.

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UpstartCrow · 05/10/2018 10:21

Amnesty International; I no longer donate, I unfollowed them on social media and explained why.
They support 'sex work', they have been replacing sex with gender on their website and using obfuscating language around violence against women and girls.

Amnesty oppose the Nordic Model.
frantic.s3.amazonaws.com/amnesty-fi/2016/05/Taustatietoa-Amnestyn-seksity%C3%B6kantaan.pdf

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Judder · 05/10/2018 10:23

Great idea. I want to spend my money on companies that support women rather than erase them. Rather than write individually to discover each company's policy, it might be a good shortcut to see which companies rely on Stonewall for their workshop/advice. This would give us an initial indicator of whether they have been brainwashed or not. It is clear from the R4 show and the response to the petition that Stonewall are the driving force behind many company policies. They are a malign influence. I tend to give money to women's refuges and women's causes but I agree that NAS deserve reward for their principled stance so far, and their ethical care and consideration. I love the idea of supporting Mumsnet by clicking through on the ads and will endeavour to do so.

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Judder · 05/10/2018 10:31

I left Cooperative Bank after they refused feminist group as a hate group.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3277687-Co-op-bank-refuses-services-to-feminist-group

I have left Ocado but not decided who to move to. Does anybody know which supermarket is most ethical when it comes to women's rights (and on the GRA issue)?

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Ereshkigal · 05/10/2018 10:32

Ahem, the Harlequin is in Sheffield!

One in Leeds which allowed women to meet after the meeting was cancelled was the Victoria.

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HandsOffMyRights · 05/10/2018 10:42

Stonewall sharing its list of donors

Vive la Revolution! Harnessing the economic power of women concerned about self-id - call to action capitalist comrades!
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HandsOffMyRights · 05/10/2018 10:45

I see Comic Relief is on there. Remind me why Children in Need are a no go (guessing it donates to a fishy charity?)

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DayMay · 05/10/2018 10:48

Can someone on Twitter please link this to @MsJenjiferJames ? Jennifer is banking the AWSL funds with Santander, who are actively working against the sex class of women.

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UpstartCrow · 05/10/2018 10:50

HandsOffMyRights They stopped funding a Rape Crisis centre because it was women only.

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Ereshkigal · 05/10/2018 10:51

Suggest we should add the Leeds pub who hosted the smaller WPUK meeting to the good list.

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Ereshkigal · 05/10/2018 10:53

Assume it's this one:

victoriahotel.miltonpubs.com/

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MinecraftHolmes · 05/10/2018 10:53

Children in Need removed funding from the rape crisis centre in Glasgow because they didn’t do enough for boys/men.

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Ereshkigal · 05/10/2018 10:55

They stopped funding a Rape Crisis centre because it was women only.

Yes. And also the fishy charity funding is correct.

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