Susie Green article in the Graun

[Freespeecher]

Based on the Guides thing.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/04/transphobia-daughter-guides-inclusivity-girlguiding-transgender-girls

This woman has had a heartbreaking experience and her child clearly has true gender dysphoria.
However reinforcing sexis stereotypes and missing the news reports about male prisioners going to female prisons rather missed the point.

FFS those suicide stats again.

Can we start a petition asking the papers not to use them? Would that be effective? Or a complaint perhaps?

Repeating them is totally irresponsible. Social contagion is a thing where suicide is concerned and the stats themselves have been roundly debunked.

Oh, ffs. The Guardian didn't even bother to report the story in the first place but now it's giving space to this woman to air her extreme views.

Maybe this constant misuse of the suicide stats is worth a letter to the readers' editor?

Yeah, why Susie Green thinks her child (who btw. was confronted with his dad's homophobia early on and may well have considered 'becoming a girl' the only solution to the 'a boy cannot dress and play like that' conundrum) should open GG to bepenised trans-'lesbians', including adults, like Riley J. Dennis or Jane Fae is beyond me.

Urgh...She has no shame does she.

Men are dangerous. But only to trans people. Women are hysterical for fearing men in their space.

How do people take her seriously when she would rather put her kid through surgery than divorce her homophobic husband

"The Girlguiding policy has been in place for more than two years, and there hasn’t been a single case of a transgender girl suddenly morphing into a sexual predator."

But have there been any instances of convicted perverts gaining access to scouts or guides? My own experience of safeguarding within a youth sports club is that it is very important to keep to strict safeguarding guidelines. We had no problems either, but I know of two instances where applicants withdrew rather than submit to a DBS check. A member of the club was also convicted of sexual offences elsewhere, but again seemingly without affecting club members. The brutal truth is that scouts, guides, and sports clubs attract men who are attracted to young people. Football, gymnastics, etc etc. How many more examples are needed.

I appreciate Susie Green has personal experience of gender dysphoria. I wish she would have a proper conversation with someone with experience of being abused by someone in a position of trust. Perhaps she would then understand that there is a lot more at stake.

I don't have time now to address this article fully now but it seems to me she is arguing against a straw man. She misrepresents our arguments to make us sound heartless and hysterical. It isn't that anyone with a penis is predatory, just that the vast majority of sexual assault is by males and we have no way of knowing in advance who is a danger and who isn't. Hence restricting access to females in vulnerable positions.

If transgender activists were campaigning for services and facilities that meet their needs without impinging on services and facilities for born women, many of us would support them. The 'toxic' media coverage would not be necessary.

She also has no concept of the privacy of girls issue - largely because all she knows is her own child.

Oh, and transwomen and transgirls are not paragons of virtue. They too are capable of wrongdoing, pushing boundaries, making mistakes and committing crimes. It is convenient for some to talk of children when you don't want people to imagine fumbling teenagers exploring sex. Unless I have missed the bit where their sex drives are automatically curtailed on self-identifying.

If you do the-thing-that-Green-did then the reality is that you will spend the rest of your life justifying that act to yourself. Because the alternative is unthinkable.

I don't blame Green personally. I bet she has spent many a night wishing she'd left her stupid husband earlier and wondering what might have been.

I do however blame those supposedly in charge of safeguarding for letting her run amok and set the agenda for other people's children.

And the tone of outrage at “boys” sharing showers and tents with girls invites the reader to imagine predatory young people stalking girls and abusing them in these settings. What is most worrying is that this will inevitably lead to prejudice against transgender children increasing, despite no evidence whatsoever that trans girls pose a threat.

She doesn't give a stuff about the girls who don't want a boy in there does she? She is so sexist it's not even funny.

In the eight years since trans girls have had this protection, not a single case has been reported of sexual abuse or inappropriate behaviour by a trans child towards a cisgender child.

This is a complete lie. A woman on Twitter told Stella Creasy (I believe), that a transgirl was fondling her penis while watching her daughter shower/change (can't quite remember). The woman was told it was her daughter's attitude that was wrong.

So Green is either ignorant, lying, or doesn't think that behaviour is predatory.

Dear Susie, if a single case IS reported, will you change your view on this?

Because it sure as heck doesn't seem to have been the case for other single-sex areas.

The brutal truth is that scouts, guides, and sports clubs attract men who are attracted to young people. Football, gymnastics, etc etc.

As the mother of a boy, this really keeps me up at night. I want him to do stuff, but this nagging feeling is just there... I don't have a daughter, but it is beyond me, why people would want to throw the really straight forward 'females only' safeguarding for girls out of the window.

Those bloody suicide statistics again! It makes me so angry that she continues to portray these numbers as fact when they have been completely debunked. Are there no fact checkers at The Guardian anymore? Also, no comments allowed? I'm shocked.

The brutal truth is that scouts, guides, and sports clubs attract men who are attracted to young people. Football, gymnastics, etc etc.

With apologies to deepwatersolo because I don't want to upset you, but the Barry Bennell case - youth football coach convicted of 43 counts of child sex abuse - was plastered all over the news recently for months. He got away with it in plain sight, over and over and over again. 86 new victims came forward since the most recent investigation started. That's just the most high-profile example that springs to mind.

It's like a total disconnect in the minds of these people who continue to parrot that there's no need to worry about safeguarding.

What her child has been through is so extreme (the only one in the country?) that she has to defend it.

I'm sure if none of this was in the media and her child wanted to join GG they would have made an exception due to the exceptional circumstances.
However what she doesn't seem to see is that she's trying to open the doors for anyone and everyone and this leaves young people vulnerable to abuse.

I'm not sure what her point about the suicide is. There was a recent case of a transman committing suicide in Cardiff, at Uni, member of LGBT society, all very woke, couldn't hope for more supportive environment, all the resources of the NHS, transition, hormones, etc. - things that perhaps not available in native Bulgaria.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-student-20-took-life-13274028

Still committed suicide. What is Susie trying to say?

She also has no concept of the privacy of girls issue - largely because all she knows is her own child.

As Susie Green joked about her child's tiny penis—the inevitable result of chemical castration—on television, she clearly has no regard for the privacy of children of either sex.

With apologies to deepwatersolo because I don't want to upset you,

No apologies needed for speaking the truth. The disconnect in much of society is the enraging part of it, and the best we can do is speaking out on it again and again, until they can't ignore it any more.

As others have said, Susie Green’s TED talk reveals the likely reason for her child beginning to believe they were a girl: the homophobia of the father when the child preferred “girl” toys and clothes. These stories seem quite common for trans kids ‘i told them they weren’t allowed the toys they liked because only girls like those toys’ the kid then says ‘I AM a girl mum’ then is suddenly allowed to play with the toys they want and grow their hair long and wear a dress to school etc. And the parents say ‘they’re like a different child! So happy and so confident!’ but for some reason don’t question whether that’s because they’re not being told that everything they do and like is wrong anymore. They take it as absolute proof that the male child is ‘really a girl and always has been’
It strikes me that transgenderism is an ideology that parents who don’t have much imagination and perhaps aren’t very intelligent are more likely to get caught up in? Without meaning to be rude about parents of trans children in general, but children who identify as trans as pre teens are likely to be extremely influenced by their parents, as young children are. ROGD teenagers are a different matter though.

re there no fact checkers at The Guardian anymore? Also, no comments allowed?

The Guardian drank the woke kool-aid years ago. Its sole focus now is identity politics.

'comment is free'- but not if you want to critique the abuse of children it seems

Beyond belief that someone who did what she did to her child is considered any kind of authority on safeguarding.

I also remember Susie Green laughing at the stunted size of her child's penis and the contingent expected difficulties with genital surgery.

I also wonder if Susie and Jackie Green would be so influential if Jackie was less physically attractive? I think I know the answer to this one, tbh...