The Police making policy for schools

[rowdywoman1]

and insisting that a self identified teenage 'girl' must be allowed to use the girl's toilets:

www.transgendertrend.com/who-is-making-policy-for-schools/

The transgender police officer Lena Denham, used their own organisation 'Transpire' to launch a public social media campaign against the school until they backed down. I'd call that a conflict of interest. I'd be asking whether their behaviour constituted misconduct in a public office? I'd be looking at why this police force is allowing an officer to mix their personal lifestyle choices with their role in law enforcement? I am asking who is safeguarding the rights of girls to privacy, dignity and safety in that school?

There was a thread on this recently (I think the police officer is called Gina Denham?) You are absolutely right - it seems yo me yo be a major conflict of interest. Gina Denhams role in Transpire is very problematic.

Here's the last thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3199413-interesting-school-toilets-story

I wonder how the female pupils feel about it? Lily Madigan claims the pupils at his school supported him. But in America there were protests when a boy, Lila Perry, wanted to use the girls' bathrooms.

When you look at the bullying campaign against the school it's dreadful. All sorts of politicians, agencies tagged in. No wonder they backed down in the light of apparently public hostility - which of course their wasn't. But with a police officer's personal 'charity' tweeting these threats and publicly outing a school to the press in this way, it must be very frightening to be on the receiving end of this.

Surely there must be some restrictions on how police officers conduct themselves?
Outing a school publicly? Applying the law incorrectly? Conflict of interest? Misuse of police time?

It's noteworthy that in a Lila Perry's case, the resolution was to maintain a sex segregated toilet but add a girls & GNC toilet. Why is that not the answer when this comes up?

perhaps contact the police and crime commisioner?

ReappearingWoman
Because it's all about validation? You are not a real woman until women accept you into all of their spaces. As women have to be very aware of boundaries in order to keep themselves (and their children) safe, the only way to is to bully them and gaslight them into accepting that their boundaries and ability to consent mean nothing.
And perfect to start with children as once you counter the idea that it is OK to be safe and private then girls and women are an open book to all predators.

BlackeyedSusan

It looks as if these people will investigate complaints about police standards:
www.policeconduct.gov.uk/complaints-and-appeals/make-complaint

My concern is that individual children who are receiving support for their gender identity are potentially being used by some TRAs to support their agenda... I believe this was likely the case with LM, that rather than a younger person single-handedly suing the school... powerful and well-resourced interests threatened an individual school with legal action.
Its often quoted that children don't have the prejudices of (some) adults and for example with articles about LM, reference is made to the number of girls who signed the petition. However, what is made of the girls who kept quiet, who didn't sign, where is the consideration of their needs, who is interested in the impact on their lives and the reasons why they might keep silent.
Of course a vulnerable child should be protected from any form of bullying, of course we need to promote respect....BUT all children should be accorded these.

Absolutely Daff0dil
I think these children are being 'weaponised' by activists. These groups are supremely disinterested in children - otherwise they couldn't possibly insist on one boy's right to breach all girl's boundaries.
There is a reason so many trans activistsIs target children and schools and they are the only political pressure groups who have been given a free pass to peddle their version of reality to children - again in clear breach of DfE guidelines about political neutrality.

Please contact the police, Crime Commissioner and MP. We need actions more than discussion now.

Here are the basic contact details for Damian Hinds, who is my MP, and the Secretary of State for Education. I also have further details for people in his department. They may fob you off if you are not a constituent. If they do, let me know.

www.damianhinds.com/contact

Suited I have gone via my MP and asked for a response from the secretary of state. Tumbleweed so far .
I will be writing again with the transgendertrend article and asking from a response from him and from Amber Rudd re abuse of police powers.

rowdywomen1

Hi again. I have sent some more info via PM.

You couldn't be more disingenuous in that headline if you tried. "The police" have made no such policy at all. A charity to which a (by the looks of it, former) Police Officer belongs to has pressurised a school to change their policies. How is that worthy of a complaint to police bodies? Whats that got to do with them?

You speak of "Misuse of police time" If she/he even is still a police officer, they are entitled to a day off. I took my kids swimming on rest days yesterday, is that a "misuse of police time?" Do you have a list of acceptable past times that you think officers' should only be allowed to engage in?

Feminists are against trans ideology. I get that. But let's not start making shit up to further your cause.

from Amber Rudd re abuse of police powers.

How in any way whatsoever is there an abuse of police powers?

Because the police officer used their status as a police officer to pressurise the school.

It’s not rocket science

Because the police officer used their status as a police officer to pressurise the school

Really? Where did it say that? How did Denham use their status as a police officer

When political pressure groups access schools and successfully influence change on behalf of their own self interests, that's against DfE guidelines:
Sections 406 and 407 of the Education Act 1996 forbids ‘the promotion of partisan political views…’ The requirement found in the Prevent Duty and teaching controversial issues for schools places a duty to “secure that where political issues are brought to the attention of pupils… they are offered a balanced presentation of opposing views”.

When a police officer sets up a political pressure group that, as evidenced in the Transgendertrend post, chooses to out a school publicly in an attempt to force it to change it's policies in favour of one child, then it is reasonable to question whether the police are making policy.

In fact I thought carefully about the title as I was tempted to use the word bullying as believe that outing the school in this way just because they didn't agree with Transpire is in fact bullying and intimidation!

It is not for me to decide that an officer has overstepped the boundaries - but as this is still (just) a democratic society, it is reasonable to ask whether there is a conflict of interest? It is reasonable to expect the Police to answer questions about their officer's use of police time and their particular interpretations of Equality legislation. The Police are not and should not be, agents of social change.

It is reasonable to expect the Police to answer questions about their officer's use of police time

I don't know if that officer is still serving (The article uses the past tense and Google doesn't help) However even if they're still a warranted officer there is nothing whatsoever to suggest they are using "police time" to campaign.

When a police officer sets up a political pressure group that, as evidenced in the Transgendertrend post, chooses to out a school publicly in an attempt to force it to change it's policies in favour of one child, then it is reasonable to question whether the police are making policy

No it's not. If an official police account, or if a person stating they're acting on behalf of the police did this you'd have a point. This is a transgender charity, nothing to do with the police, other than it's founder being a serving/retired officer. If the founder of the charity was a security guard would you claim the security industry authority were making policy? Of course not. You are being disingenuous and you know it!

The Police are not and should not be, agents of social change.

Agreed. However this board did not seem to have an issue when the Notts police CC decided to record misogyny as a hate crime, when she had absolutely no legal power to act on it. Do you believe the Notts CC was right to record misogyny as a hate crime?

I'm also interested as to how you think it's "a conflict of interests" or even misconduct in a public office?

I'd be looking at why this police force is allowing an officer to mix their personal lifestyle choices with their role in law enforcement?

How are they mixing the two?

Hi, I have had to complain about a highly aggressive policeman neighbour in the past.

I was advised that:

• what he does day to day without referring to police officer status is outside their remit.

-however, when he repeatedly referred to our boundary dispute as “”a civil matter” and said he would breathalyse another neighbour if that neighbour repeated complaints, then he essentially putting himself on duty and our complaint would be heard in relation to those issues.

I think it was transgendertrend who posted the picture of Denham.

It is easy for you to check, OP. The police have a helpline (I know because I have had to use it).

But I y

I had assumed GD is still serving. They use a lot of police identifiers in their social media : @SgtGinaDenham etc

So if GD is not an active officer they may well need to stop misrepresenting themselves (hollow laugh).

My apologies TerranceandPhilip - I miss named this police officer - they are in fact Gina Denham.

Below are a couple of links about them to assist you. The first couple of pages of google are only about the transgender aspects of their policing but I am sure that this is an oversight and they are actually at the forefront of dealing with the myriad of crimes affecting women - domestic violence, rape, voyeurism, sexual harassment, upskirting, stalking hate crimes like misogyny (wait, that's not a hate crime is it?) as well as all the other crimes that affect all citizens.

www.facebook.com/BBCEssex/videos/1016702151718565/

www.womanthology.co.uk/thinking-beyond-typical-mind-providing-support-end-feelings-isolation-trans-people-gina-denham-sergeant-basildon-community-policing-team-essex/

They also got an award specially for women police officers according to a local paper that "recognised how Gina had provided peer support to colleagues and how she helped others by talking at lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender masterclasses and in schools".

Interesting to note that in the Facebook video they complain about being outed to the papers while in another police force - the irony!

Judging by their words and the publicity, it would seem that being transgender is central to their policing - hence all the questions.

Op, I see that they do indeed promote themselves as a police officer.

Apologies, I think you are right.

I can see how this would happen. The police would have allowed it to show they are allowing this officer to be open about their status whilst serving.

Terrance, have a look at Gina’s twitter feed. I think this crosses a line.