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https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/can-we-have-an-honest-debate-about-gender/

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Lostinedinburgh Thu 08-Feb-18 16:09:13

Another journalist breaks cover.

iamawoman Thu 08-Feb-18 16:11:22

R u able to do clicky link ?

ALittleBitOfButter Thu 08-Feb-18 16:12:15

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/can-we-have-an-honest-debate-about-gender/

Thisusernamethingistricky Thu 08-Feb-18 16:16:58

It does feel like some sort of tide is turning doesn't it? smile

rowdywoman1 Thu 08-Feb-18 16:22:09

What an excellent article - informative, detailed and compassionate.

iamawoman Thu 08-Feb-18 16:25:09

Its got mumsnet reaction to the swimming pool debacle embedded in the text 😀

Hidingtonothing Thu 08-Feb-18 16:25:30

Brave and really well thought out article. Sharing everywhere.

Lostinedinburgh Thu 08-Feb-18 16:26:32

I thought his observation that MPs are afraid to speak about the issue is frankly scary.

InaConfusedState Thu 08-Feb-18 16:28:04

Good article, glad to see more journalists putting their heads above the parapet.

Patodp Thu 08-Feb-18 16:30:43

Brilliant article

pitterpatterrain Thu 08-Feb-18 16:36:10

Excellent

Thisusernamethingistricky Thu 08-Feb-18 16:36:38

It's a shame, but I do think it will take men speaking out about this to stop the crazy.

A slight aside but I just read a couple of other wildly misogynistic articles on The Spectator, one of them by Rod Liddle about women's voting and pay shock

GoodyMog Thu 08-Feb-18 16:36:45

That's really balanced and calm - it's going to go down like a lead balloon.

jellyfrizz Thu 08-Feb-18 16:39:25

Would it matter if everyone could simply choose their own legally-recognised gender? To advocates, this is no big deal and a matter of fairness: people are who they are and who they *say they are, so the state and society have no right acting as gatekeepers, imposing curbs or rules on that identity. Anything else is injustice and prejudice.*

It wouldn't matter if everyone chose heir own legally recognised gender. As long as they weren't also legally recognised as a different SEX.

OvaHere Thu 08-Feb-18 16:53:10

Great article. Jolyon is going to get some hassle again though. I wonder if he will read this thoughtful piece and regret backing down so quickly?

Datun Thu 08-Feb-18 16:54:20

He is urging people to watch the reaction to his article to prove the censorship and threatening angle.

And I have every confidence that he will be proved right.

Because, despite it being the biggest own goal ever, the narcissists will not be able to help themselves.

But yeah, they will be respective of women and back off if there's a problem, according to India Willoughby.

Datun Thu 08-Feb-18 16:55:01

* respectful

SweetheartNeckline Thu 08-Feb-18 17:16:15

Brilliant article.

motmot Thu 08-Feb-18 17:19:17

First article on this issue I've shared. Excellent.

Waddlelikeapenguin Thu 08-Feb-18 17:32:05

Thanks for sharing, that's excellent

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Thu 08-Feb-18 17:54:43

Oh wow, that was really good : I hope some people actually read it

Destinysdaughter Thu 08-Feb-18 18:00:22

Can anyone read the comments underneath?

Also on his Twitter he's saying he's trying to learn more about the subject, so there might be some info pp would like to send him?

NotAgainYoda Thu 08-Feb-18 18:05:31

Thank you.

I agree thisusername about it being male journalists/politicians who will turn this tide. Really depressing actually

Geronimoleapinglizards Thu 08-Feb-18 18:11:30

James Kirkup has clearly been reading Mumsnet very closely. Thank you to you if you're reading. You've covered this as extensively as it deserves

I think it's clever to press how risky it is talking publically about this - surely if both sides are making fair reasonable points, there's no need for fear. It exposes how aggressive TRA'S are

hackmum Thu 08-Feb-18 18:14:58

I notice he references Mumsnet!

Good piece, though.

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