Sex map of Britain - transgender dads

[AdalindSchade]

Anyone seen this on BBC? Two women having a baby and wanting to be called dads

[NotTerfNorCis]

This one? www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05t66bs

[AdalindSchade]

Yeah. It's sad

[NotTerfNorCis]

So the mother is a woman who presumably doesn't have massive sexual dysphoria because she's going through pregnancy and childbirth. But she says she's a man. On what grounds? It doesn't add up.

[cliffdramas]

I have to admit, I couldn't get past the first few minutes. It was like reading the bio of someone on Tumblr. Earnest but not making a lot sense.
Dorian who has been living as a man for five years is very obviously a woman (even before you get to the pregnancy part), I don't understand what she means by living as a man. She's a lesbian, in a relationship with another lesbian. Neither of them even vaguely 'pass' as looking male, they've just rejected the stereotypical 'girly' side of femininity. Dorian says she was searching for an identity in the first few minutes and she doesn't seem to have found her place in the world yet which is quite normal for a young adult.

[AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth]

I don't even want to watch it. Young lesbians are being completely and utterly betrayed by current society. It's tragic

[hipsterfun]

Firstly, congratulations to Dorian and Alex - what a beautiful baby

It was certainly an interesting half hour and I found I could relate to a lot of what they were saying about being GNC.

However, honestly, I also see two female people who are attracted to each other romantically/sexually, traditionally known as lesbians - a sweet couple - and I hope they can resolve their identity issues without harming their bodies and subjecting themselves to the unknown risks of transition.

It’s surprising that during the eight or so months between finding out Dorian was pregnant, neither of them did any research to find out about gender identity and birth registration.

[Elendon]

Why did they assign their child as male gender and why did they want to know the sex of their child pre birth?

[hipsterfun]

Dorian touched on that; if I understood correctly, acknowledging that the parents’ experience and issues around gender are relatively unusual, and that attempting somehow to be gender neutral would force the child to go through identity issues of some kind, whereas there was a good chance he’d ‘do boy’ untroubled.

Apologies to Dorian if I’ve taken from it what I wanted to hear and interested to read others’ thoughts.

[cromeyellow0]

So the mother is a woman who presumably doesn't have massive sexual dysphoria because she's going through pregnancy and childbirth. But she says she's a man. On what grounds? It doesn't add up.

Exactly! If she really felt that she was a bloke trapped in a woman's body, she would hardly choose to undergo the ultimate female experience. Her dudebrain would find it repulsive.

It's the new version of man bites dog. A woman giving birth is not news, but a woman-pretending-to-be-a-man giving birth is news. Though for how long? I must have seen at least a dozen of these stories already ...

[hipsterfun]

We’re so busy understanding young people’s feelings these days that you never hear anyone telling them to stop being bloody silly when they are. Clearly, there’s a balance to be struck but fostering the natural self-absorption of teens isn’t going to help them mature into happy adults.

That said, it was only a half-hour programme so who knows what’s really going on in this case.

[RagingWoman]

I'm watching this now and just cant believe what I'm seeing! As PP said theyre a lovely sweet lesbian couple. What is it about them that's male??? Dorian seems to be spending most of her pregnancy making sure no one calls her 'woman' or 'she'. And worrying that the general public will misgender her (err...long pretty hair, pregnant bump...) It isnt anyone else's business how she feels about herself BUT she's trying desperately to MAKE it everyone's business. Its like she doesn't suffer from dysphoria but perhaps some kind of attention-seeking or narcissistic disorder. I feel so sorry for her

Gorgeous baby!
And WHY didn't they think through the birth certificate before now?? Its hardly rocket science. Babies are born to women. You cant have it both ways. Ha! Maybe she's more male than I thought with all that self-entitlement

[AngryAttackKittens]

I don't understand why anyone who wants to be seen as male would want to be pregnant. It's that weird thing of thinking that you ought to be able to control other people's perceptions again, with the inevitable unhappiness when it doesn't work and people know what a pregnant belly looks like.

[Sevendown]

Just watched it.

Wow it was even crazier than I’d expected from reading this thread.

The gran/mum said her dd was trans because she didn’t like getting breasts as a teen?! Isn’t it quite normal for teen girls to resent their bodily changes? Lots of girls/women want flat chests, it has nothing to do with gender.

I didn’t understand the chronology. It said she was 24 and had been ‘living as a man’/trans for 5 years, so since she was 19.

But legally she’s still a woman so can’t go on the bc as ‘dad’? Why hadn’t she got a GRC or ever taken hormones? It didn’t really make sense. And they said they were married so did they marry as two women? Will they get their marriage cert changed when they transition?

If the programme hadn’t mentioned it I would never have guessed either of them were trans. They seemed like very typical women to me.

[Teaformeplease]

I've just watched this and was saying ffs to myself all the way through it. These are two women in a lesbian relationship. They're not even butch looking and present as women with longish hair and it looked like the mother was wearing makeup sometimes. How are they men? If they were telling everyone they were aliens they'd be offered the appropriate psychological treatment. Telling everyone they are men is just as deluded.
I got annoyed at references to "pregnant people" and "chest feeding".

[TinselAngel]

I just re- Peak transed repeatedly through the 10 minutes of that I managed. For goodness sake, what's wrong with being a Lesbian?

Although the mid Atlantic accent was almost as annoying.

[Farmerswife36]

Just watched this . I thought they were both really obnoxious and the way Alex reprimanded the midwife for saying labouring woman was awful ! Ffs she was saying the right thing as only a WOMAN can give birth ! Sorry but this trans neutral is going way ott now ! I'm all for people being who they want to be but nobody can become another gender and certainly cannot carry a baby and be male ! The world going bloody mad !!

[Farmerswife36]

And their accents ?? Wtf was it ? American or English ?? Pair of them are deluded and I feel so sorry for baby Julian who is probably gunna end up as confused as his parents

[Algebraic]

My eyes almost popped out of my head from rolling so hard when she corrected the midwife to "labouring man". The one thing us woman had was birth and our experiences with it. Now we can't have that anymore as 'men' can seemingly be pregnant and give birth! Except they can't

[hipsterfun]

I assumed Alex was North American and Dorian had picked up some of her accent.

[Algebraic]

Yeah Alex said she was American. I also assumed Dorian had picked up the accent.

[Jaxhog]

Wanting to seen as a man, but being pregnant, seems to be the ultimate having your cake and eating it!

@ragingwoman you've put your finger on it. It's when transgender people make their gender OUR business that it gets my goat. It's just so self indulgent and 'look at me'. Most of us just accept people as people, not as specifically women or men.

[AdalindSchade]

Yeah well that's the main issue with the idea that gender is simply a feeling in your head and has no connection to the physical body. If you believe that then you can certainly accept the idea of a pregnant and lactating man.
However of course the gender ideologists are inconsistent because they talk about gender dysphoria being intensified through pregnancy so the physical body has to have something to do with what a man or woman is.

[cliffdramas]

I tried again and watched the video on youtube. From the very supportive comments below the video it seems they have a following on tumblr so they will be cocooned in an online environment where anyone questioning them would be shouted down by dedicated supporters. The call to arms to defend any potential misgendering on tumblr is a powerful force.

[Jackfruitboot]

Both now de-transitioned, also separated, but seeming happy and well.