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Impact of transgender organisations - who is behind them and how have they become so influential?

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theendisnotnigh Sun 22-Oct-17 18:38:10

Looking at the Times article about the government telling the UN that the phrase pregnant people should be used instead of pregnant women angry. Where has the government got their mandate from from to make these massive changes?
When is some investigative journalist going to take a look behind the scenes at who these massively influential transgender groups are? (Gendered Intelligence, GIRES etc).
How have this tiny percentage of the population had such a significant response? The groups are feted by government, the Dept for Education, the NHS fund and actively promote them.
We know that they have used tactics of threats and intimidation to very successfully silence democratic debate and discussion. We know that they have gained access to politicians (Maris Miller etc) in ways that other political groups can't do. So who are they? Are they funded by the Drugs companies (who have much to gain from the lifelong medication of transgender children to adults).
We know that they are active in schools, local authorities, workplaces. What are their qualifications for changing schools? Do their staff going into schools have DBS checks? Do they work directly with children and young people? Why are the DfE , NHS promoting political activist groups to train educators and health professionals - normally schools are very careful about giving political interest groups direct access in this way?

I think we need to be asking questions of the government about what checks and balances they have made before recommending these groups and why they are getting such preferential treatment? What other massive social change in history has taken place behind closed doors and with active government involvement?

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed Sun 22-Oct-17 19:01:32

I'm surprised by how influential they seem to be, certainly in comparison to groups working for the rights of women or LGB people. I suppose it could be argued that those two causes have made some gains, but they came very slowly over a long period.

Someone on another thread mentioned the treatment that disabled people receive, and it does seem that they are still very much playing catch up. The fact they have to jump through hoops even to be allowed a basic level of income when they can't work is appalling. I imagine the groups that campaign on disability issues dream of the level of access to government and the profile that trans groups have.

DJBaggySmallpox Sun 22-Oct-17 19:04:22

What other massive social change in history has taken place behind closed doors and with active government involvement?

''George Osborne announced the move in June 2014 as part of an effort to make the UK a global hub for Islamic finance.''

Five Whitehall buildings held by wealthy businessmen now operating under Sharia rules
Properties leased on condition that they cannot host any activities not sanctioned by sharia

theendisnotnigh Sun 22-Oct-17 19:11:19

DJBaggySmallpox shock
Sometimes I feel as if I must live in a parallel universe...

Terrylene Sun 22-Oct-17 20:24:00

I expect since, historically, trans people have always been a minority of LGBT then anything requiring LBGT representation (which is also a minority) results in T becoming over represented.

There is also the gynaecologist on GIRES who transed who will then become a local expert in the NHS, knowing NHS workings and having personal experience.

There is also a lot of money from high profile late transitioning billionaires which improves confidence.

Women, however, are not in a minority but are still systematically under represented.

TheShaniaTwainExperience Sun 22-Oct-17 20:26:10

They often refer to WHO guidelines but I think after this Mugabe fiasco people will take them less seriously. Not a massive impact but a little dent at least.

BelligerentGardenPixies Sun 22-Oct-17 20:32:03

It feels like social engineering to me. Coming from where and to what ends exactly, I'm not sure, but I am certain that all this is not about what we are being led to believe it is about i.e. Rights for a minority group.

differenteverytime Sun 22-Oct-17 20:45:32

Thing is, Belligerent, I agree. It's just too much of a juggernaut to be only about the rights of a minority group, especially in comparison to the glacial progress of rights for other groups, including women who aren't a minority. But I'm racking my brains as to what it actually could be about, instead. I'm not enough of a conspiracy theorist to really have many ideas.

Sometimes I think it isn't engineered, that it's more just a case of 'the right moment'. In that scenario, trans rights are taking off because of the general postmodern/identity-based zeitgeist amongst liberals, especially the young. I strongly suspect there's a strong background element of opportunism amongst MRAs, who fully understand the risks to women and will whip this up as much as they can.

Beyond that, I honestly don't know. Why would the 'powers that be', whoever they are in this case, want to redefine men and women? I get it that there's profit to be had in surgical and hormonal alterations, but surely, even with the explosion in teens identifying as trans, the actual proportion of people wanting treatment would still only be small. That aspect strikes me as a youth trend that many people will bitterly regret in future years sad but I don't see it lasting? But what other agenda would there be? If powerful people really are pushing it, then powerful people will benefit. And it does seem like more than just a 'normal' social change. But I'm struggling to see what it actually is.

theendisnotnigh Sun 22-Oct-17 20:46:17

I do try not to go down the conspiracy theory route but these fundamental changes to our laws and even basic identity are happening 'in plain sight' yet with minimal comment and debate.
I know that the extensive campaign of silencing and intimidation has been very successful - and again usually only commented on by women - mainly because they have often been the victims.

StealthPolarBear Sun 22-Oct-17 20:51:23

There is no way to turn the tide is there sad

theendisnotnigh Sun 22-Oct-17 20:54:23

And yes, differenteverytime - the fact that the NHS and DfE are actively funding and promoting these groups - yet the most basic understanding / analysis indicates that the potential law suits from all these children and teenagers will be massive. Once they reach their mid 20s, when they finally realise what has been done to their bodies and their whole future, their devastation will be overwhelming
The scandal will equal many of the abuse scandals of the past. Why can't politicians can see that??

Vitalogy Sun 22-Oct-17 20:57:17

It's preparing the people for a world of no gender, a world of the synthetic human.
The rights issue is just the cover story.

Vitalogy Sun 22-Oct-17 21:00:11

Vitalogy Sun 22-Oct-17 21:02:41

Why can't politicians can see that?? Doesn't matter if they can see it or not, they aren't the ones running the show.

doctorcuntybollocks Sun 22-Oct-17 21:03:17

Politicians never think much further than the next election.

BigDeskBob Sun 22-Oct-17 21:14:01

If 1% of the population are trans, that means that 1% of the most powerful and influential men are trans.

Are cross dressers trans now? I bet more than 1% of men cross dress occasionally, making them sympathetic to the cause.

BelligerentGardenPixies Sun 22-Oct-17 21:15:22

I think this movement does several things.
Strips women of rights

Strips parents of rights over what medically happens to their children

Challenges notions of informed consent, especially with regards to children. If we are saying prepubescent children have the ability to take decisions over their reproductive capacity, what other decisions could they be deemed capable of? I'm thinking sex here and we can see a trend towards court judgements that insinuate that children were at least in part consenting

Big pharma will take it in if they can keep the social contagion up

And less obvious but I think fairly insidious - changing our ability to use language in meaningful ways (not just in regard to gender) that ultimately will curtail the populations ability to think critically, analysis and ultimately organise against forms of oppression.

I'm sure there's more that I haven't recognized yet too.

CisMyArse Sun 22-Oct-17 21:18:53

Strange that you mention the abuse scandal....

This is a major conspiracy curve-ball, but the trans debate had diverted our attentions nicely for the last 2 years or so and it's gathering momentum.

Whereas, the historical abuse case has gone ever so quiet with no one really agreeing who to Chair the investigations...

My desperation with the ever so likely GRA and self-id is turning me into a crazy over-thinker.

It's crazy - I know, but something utterly insidious, sinister and fucking powerful must be behind this.

nauticant Sun 22-Oct-17 21:21:01

I'm with differenteverytime. I see that there are a number of different strands in this and think they just happen to have come together now. One of the strongest strands for me is the Internet which in terms of social media encourages self-obsession and narcissism and which in general terms shares information and brings together large numbers of similarly minded people. Another strand is that modern life is becoming more complex as time passes and many people are choosing different identities in some hope of escape. Then there's all kinds of opportunism, bandwagon jumping, and by the time it looks like a movement against prejudice it draws in many other groups looking not to be on the wrong side of history.

Whenever I see (not on this thread) someone say "it's Soros and his billions" my immediate thought is David Icke. Soros is funding many things but he's just a bit too convenient as being the mastermind behind an international conspiracy to undermine society.

ZooeyAndFranny Sun 22-Oct-17 21:24:19

I would love to understand this better. I think there are probably a combination of factors at work...first, the “powers that be” are still predominantly men and giving rights to trans people has very little impact on them. So they can score massive “liberal” brownie points at no cost to themselves. Plus the trans lobby is mostly made up of MTT so they are used to being heard. It means the are able to leverage their privilege in ways that women can only dream of. And also most people see trans rights as part of the continuum of gay rights. Right thinking people think homosexuality is normal and should not be threatened. So without thinking it through in any way, they jump on the Trans bandwagon.

differenteverytime Sun 22-Oct-17 21:28:21

I'm not sure it can be due to powerful, wealthy men being cross-dressers and therefore sympathetic to the trans cause. If that was the case, wouldn't this degree of momentum have happened before, with gay rights? I imagine a much greater proportion of rich and powerful men are/were gay.

theendisnotnigh Sun 22-Oct-17 21:33:18

I do believe that the deliberate silencing has been very effective. Look at how the discussion on this board has changed once people were actually allowed to speak openly and to debate and to learn. And that hasn't happened with the general population - it's been deliberately suppressed. So many of the inconsistencies, the lies, the fiction dressed up as facts, the dodgy statistics are just not heard by 'ordinary' people. So even if they were minded, they can't challenge as they don't have access to facts.

StealthPolarBear Sun 22-Oct-17 21:36:50

Zooey are you f&z of old? Feel free to ignore

ZooeyAndFranny Sun 22-Oct-17 21:37:43

When did MNHQ change posture?

A while back they were constantly silencing critical threads about trans, banning people for misgendering and making actual statements in defense of trans. What happened?

Tealdeal747 Sun 22-Oct-17 21:56:18

And also most people see trans rights as part of the continuum of gay rights. Right thinking people think homosexuality is normal and should not be threatened. So without thinking it through in any way, they jump on the Trans bandwagon

I think it's this^

Most people I have come across just haven't considered the impact on woman and children. They are mostly well meaning people who think they are supporting a cause to reduce violence and oppression to a vulnerable group, who they mostly pity. People don't apply critical thought to the consequences e.g. The end of women's sport, any bloke being able to go into any toilet, girls school, shower room, refuge, prison.

It won't be until someone dies that the backlash will start.

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