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I can hardly believe this but the science museum are working with gendered intelligence

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ageingrunner Wed 07-Sep-16 15:43:04

Can this be true?

ageingrunner Wed 07-Sep-16 15:43:29

ageingrunner Wed 07-Sep-16 15:46:05

Just found this

TendonQueen Wed 07-Sep-16 15:47:10

The title's somewhat deceptive. All or almost all of those projects relate to trans issues and identities. So it's a very specific take on gender and science.

ageingrunner Wed 07-Sep-16 15:49:28

What, my title? confused

TendonQueen Wed 07-Sep-16 17:16:13

No, 'Gendered Intelligence'. Makes it sound a lot broader than it is.

ageingrunner Wed 07-Sep-16 17:46:52

Ah right! I see what you mean. Yes it is rather disingenuous to say the least. I'm really thinking now that I need to start speaking to my junior age child about the subject of trans now, in case he sees it somewhere else first and is sucked in by something like this. Surely the science museum should not be involved in unscientific stuff like this??

WinchesterWoman Wed 07-Sep-16 22:30:06

Is there no escape - what a waste of my lottery money

ageingrunner Wed 07-Sep-16 22:53:04

No, apparently no escape. It's EVERYWHERE

Xenophile Wed 07-Sep-16 22:54:14


Just ugh.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree Wed 07-Sep-16 23:00:25

Clearly no escape. It's a powerful lobby.

I'm waiting for the attack on GCSE biology. It can't be long.

ageingrunner Wed 07-Sep-16 23:11:45

Science is dead

Sporadicus Thu 08-Sep-16 09:59:56

Gendered brains and rubber penises presented uncritically:

Sporadicus Thu 08-Sep-16 10:15:33

It's absolutely incredible the way organisations are in thrall to gender identity theory.

Feminist orgs, the scientific community, willing to contradict everything they stand for. It's frightening.

Xenophile Thu 08-Sep-16 10:18:04

Good point about mutilating young bodies. Does the Science Museum also uncritically show foot binding, FGM, neck extending, lip plates etc as something people just do to 'fit in' culturally? Or is it just the mutilation of breast binding that's ok?

GummyBunting Thu 08-Sep-16 10:22:06

ageingrunner and others- I'm a bit new to this topic and am curious. What are you worried about your child being 'sucked in' to? I thought the idea that sex is biological and gender a social construct was pretty widely accepted?

Again not looking to argue, genuinely just a bit confused and would prefer not to be.

ageingrunner Thu 08-Sep-16 10:39:13

Well, so did I. But the idea that gender is innate, and biological sex is something that can be changed seems to be taking hold in some areas. Some trans people refer to their biological sex as being 'assigned at birth' in the same way as some intersex people have a sex assigned to them based on the external genitalia. So they are saying that their brain sex is different to their biological sex and that the drs at their birth made the wrong decision on this, somehow. Bear in mind that these people do not have any disorder of sexual development, and may have given birth to of fathered children before deciding they are actually the opposite sex.
So, yes, I am concerned about how children might be influenced to believe that they are trans, especially if this stuff is now being presented as science by the science museum.

Sporadicus Thu 08-Sep-16 10:53:44

Xenophile great point. Actually the V&A recently presented footbinding uncritically:

Gummy don't worry we won't jump down your throat! As a parent, this is how I see it: The idea that whether you are a girl or a boy is down to what you look like, or what interests you have, is sexism. I'm bringing my children up to believe in equality, that the only differences are that, put simply, boys have penises and girls have vaginas. That girls and boys can be, do, like, wear etc whatever they like, and it has no bearing on whether they are a boy or a girl.

And yet, organisations like Gendered Intelligence are paid by the government to write policy guidance and go into schools to teach young children the exact opposite - that biological sex is less important than gender (which is based on harmful stereotypes), and that things which are segregated by sex for good, obvious reasons, should be segregated by gender. That if you are a feminine boy or a masculine girl there is something wrong with you, and you should seek medical help.

Sporadicus Thu 08-Sep-16 10:55:45

Gummy these links are a brilliant place to start if you'd like to learn more about this subject:

ageingrunner Thu 08-Sep-16 10:59:07

Also the above link is a website by parents who are concerned about child transition

GummyBunting Thu 08-Sep-16 11:04:57

Ah thanks, that does make sense!

Sporadicus Thu 08-Sep-16 11:08:50

no probs!

Lorelei76 Thu 08-Sep-16 11:10:42

I'm confused
this actually just looks like a study of what people think rather than a scientific study....have I misunderstood? That's entirely possible!

Sporadicus Thu 08-Sep-16 11:28:58

I guess so Lorelei, but it's in the science museum, and changing the meaning of words doesn't change scientific facts like sexual dimorphism.

It's also irresponsible to present these ideas uncritically, reliant as they are on stereotypes of what boys and girls should be/look like.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel Thu 08-Sep-16 11:32:52


(sorry, stole that from somewhere else, because it was spot on)

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