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How will this rift ever be healed?

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Bearbehind Mon 29-Jul-19 19:54:46

Emotions around Brexit are always going to run high but I genuinely don’t see how the divide can ever be bridged.

Anything less than no deal and the hardcore Leavers are never going to stop talking about breaches of democracy.

No deal and all the signs say it’s going to go to rat shit.

So where do we go?

Justaboutdone Mon 29-Jul-19 20:26:07

Life will never be the same.
The UK will break up and I think we will all become a lot more
Selfish. I hope Scotland does well. England and Wales - I think that’s a long way off. Northern Ireland will be better in a unified Ireland but I don’t pretend to understand the problems that will bring.

Even if the unthinkable happened and we remained in the EU, too much damage has been done.

Danetobe Mon 29-Jul-19 20:57:22

I don't know. It's very sad. Time will heal surely. A long, long time. Past my lifetime I assume.

Nothingcomesforfree Mon 29-Jul-19 21:04:19

Well no one will know who voted what so I’m guessing life will go on much the same...everyone moaning as we do already and then getting on with life.
Same as when we joined the Common Market.

Bearbehind Mon 29-Jul-19 21:08:16

Well no one will know who voted what so I’m guessing life will go on much the same..

Except they do - Leavers I know are very vocal about their choice.

There might be a group who go very quiet but people will know who made what choice in most instances.

bellinisurge Mon 29-Jul-19 21:26:30

Bringing the country together appears to be Remainers must become No Dealers. I'm prepared to go for WA or even a mythical new WA as long as it doesn't mess with GFA. But I will never support No Deal and only have contempt and revulsion for anyone who thinks it's a reasonable option.
So, no, unless compromise means both sides compromise, we are a long way off.

Bearbehind Mon 29-Jul-19 21:33:01

I do feel that No deal is the only way. A bit like an alcoholic has to hit rock bottom before it sinks in they have a problem.

Sadly it takes everyone around them down too.

Hence my question - how do you build those bridges when people will know who put them in the position they find themselves.

bellinisurge Mon 29-Jul-19 21:37:01

Afraid they won't be anything other than resentful and blame whoever isn't themselves. The most we can hope for is a united disgust for Johnson when he fucks up.

Janista Mon 29-Jul-19 22:20:28

No deal is now the only way.

The uk will not break apart, stop believing hysteria.

Politicians had the chance to vote for the deal, Theresa's deal, 3 times knowing that no alternative was on offer. They also voted AGAINST any other alternative including a second referendum, customs union, election, no deal. Which is why we are stuck.

No deal is the only way now. They had their chance for alternatives and remainers blew it.

Lonelycrab Mon 29-Jul-19 22:25:33

Describing it as a rift is like calling the Grand Canyon a hairline crack.

But practically, the only way I can see people coming together is by one side being proved wrong as this is very binary in my eyes.

Scenario 1: we leave and things either by an large carry on the same or go slightly up or down. Result: remoaners are proved wrong and are proved a moany bunch of pessimists.

Scenario 2: we no deal and it massively goes pear shaped, perhaps overnight, perhaps longer. Penny drops. Beleavers realise they were sold a bunch of bullshit lies but the Uber wealthy and realise there never was a unicorn.

I think scenario 2 is more likely but that’s just my opinion.

Miljah Mon 29-Jul-19 22:27:01

janusta please remember it was the ERG who scuppered the WA. And again, less of the 'hysteria' calling please.

Miljah Mon 29-Jul-19 22:30:34

You know, your assertion that 'Remainers' 'blew' a deal, janista, sickens me.

Off you go with your historic revisionism. We've already seen BoJo the Clown making sure it's understood that the forthcoming disaster of No Deal is a) the EU, and b) Remainers fault for not bu-leaving enough.

Own your stupid Leave vote.

You wanted it, we're getting it.

Justaboutdone Mon 29-Jul-19 22:31:02

@Janista you are naive if you do not think the UK will break apart.

It may be that No Deal will not be as bad as all the experts, business leaders, economists etc say. BUT the UK is finished if we No Deal.

Hazardtired Mon 29-Jul-19 22:41:55

I'm a remainer but tbh I'm not feeling the huge divide with indivduals based off their vote. The only hmm I have is when its a screaming I'M ALRIGHT JACK AND AS LONG AS I'M ALRIGHT I DON'T CARE leaver. But I hate those types of people anyway and there's lots of people who voted leave who hate alright jacks to so theres always common ground to be found grin

Also if shit hits the fan for me the two people who I will call to sob to will be leavers who voted with the best of intentions who got it wrong. They'll help me pick up the pieces and if shit hits the fan for them I'll help them pick up the pieces.

Peregrina Mon 29-Jul-19 23:38:24

How many times did Boris Johnson and Rees-Mogg vote against Theresa May's Withdrawal agreement?

Nothingcomesforfree Mon 29-Jul-19 23:57:46

Bearbehind You seriously think the Leavers voice is louder than the Remainers?

Not on mumsnet, not on my Facebook, not in pretty much any paper except for The Mail.

Did you watch the speech from the German EU member I posted? At least some of the EU are keen to have an amicable well thought out departure (mostly so Germany can go back to a single market model rather than a charity for those that are left in).
It doesn’t need to be some playground drama.

Tullow2016 Tue 30-Jul-19 03:48:21

A battle between those who voted leave and remain is what the EU wants to happen. UK weakens itself while EU sits back and waits in the hope UK changes its mind.

timeforakinderworld Tue 30-Jul-19 06:45:18

I do feel that No deal is the only way. A bit like an alcoholic has to hit rock bottom before it sinks in they have a problem.
I'm coming round to this Tokyo. I am sickened by the way politicians talk about the EU as the enemy. Honestly I don't feel the UK even deserves to stay at the moment - there are too many people who would just continue to try and wreck it from within. Maybe a no deal will wake people up.

timeforakinderworld Tue 30-Jul-19 06:45:49

*too not Tokyo!

twofingerstoEverything Tue 30-Jul-19 06:52:01

A battle between those who voted leave and remain is what the EU wants to happen. UK weakens itself while EU sits back and waits in the hope UK changes its mind.

FGS. Straight out of Johnson's 'it will be the EU's fault' playbook.

bellinisurge Tue 30-Jul-19 06:56:28

@Tullow2016 , the UK only needs to change its mind about one thing - how to ensure no border on island of Ireland if it won't accept the backstop. Saying "trust us we won't have one , isn't enough ". NI should be made a special economic area - like the free ports Johnson is talking about already but the whole of NI - and a border in the sea. It'll piss off the DUP. But they will be a big fish in a little pond for longer.
Are you against that?

Nothingcomesforfree Tue 30-Jul-19 07:02:54

I think some people assume the EU is one voice. It’s really not. It’s like any other political organisation.
The biggest contributors, Germany and France have different ideas about what the EU should look like. 18 other countries take out more than they put in, which can’t be sustained long term if we leave.
There’s more than one agenda in the EU.

Nothingcomesforfree Tue 30-Jul-19 07:11:22

twofingerstoEverything

No, that’s also from Alice Weidel - German EU member and leader of the Alternative Germany party in the Bundestag and a supporter of the EU.

SonEtLumiere Tue 30-Jul-19 07:14:43

Did you watch the speech from the German EU member I posted?

I did, did you compare it to Theresa May‘s red lines and notice the miss-match?
Do you know that Boris has all Theresa’s red lines plus more (although I imagine if he wins a GE with a majority Arlene Foster will be told to go fuck herself in short order).
But did you notice it is light on content- what does Weidel suggest that provides a way through.
Did you also know how old that speech is.

Have you read Ivan Rogers Nine Lessons of Brexit? A much better speech.

Theworldisfullofgs Tue 30-Jul-19 07:19:46

I think it will take generations. Resentment will probably grow as the impact on young people's futures and middle aged people's retirements becomes obvious.
Young people will start to emigrate.

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