Princess Anne the only female behind the hearse

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jeanne16 Sun 18-Apr-21 07:35:52

While the funeral was beautiful, I couldn’t help feeling annoyed that Princess Anne was the only female to walk behind the hearse. Surely all the grandchildren could have been included. Instead we see Beatrice, Eugenie and Zara tottering along on high heels. It would have been so much better to see them take an equal place with the men.

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MakingPlans21 Sun 18-Apr-21 07:37:12

Princess Anne is often voted the hardest walking royal.

Meredusoleil Sun 18-Apr-21 07:38:43

I thought it was because she's PP's only daughter?

lljkk Sun 18-Apr-21 07:39:26

Was it just the descendants who had military service (or titles) who walked behind hearse?

ElphabaTheGreen Sun 18-Apr-21 07:39:49

I did wonder why it wasn’t more ‘one in, all in’ with the grandchildren. Why just the three oldest?

And why was Princess Anne’s husband the only spouse? Why not Camilla and Sophie? Earl of Snowdon was a random inclusion to outsiders as well, but presumably PP’s wishes.

I wondered why they didn’t just keep it to the four children (ie Charles, Anne, Andrew, Edward) as all us plebs will do is speculate wildly (and probably inaccurately).

WhatWouldPhyllisCraneDo Sun 18-Apr-21 07:40:23

Well unless we know why they didn't walk then it's moot surely?
Is it because they aren't equal? Or is it because 2 of them have fairly recently given birth and felt the walk was too much? It's easier to have no granddaughters than some granddaughters. Maybe they chose to go in the cars. I know I would.

ElphabaTheGreen Sun 18-Apr-21 07:40:23

lljkk

Was it just the descendants who had military service (or titles) who walked behind hearse?

Nope - Peter Phillips has neither.

FuckingFabulous Sun 18-Apr-21 07:40:59

Because otherwise all of the guests apart from the Queen would have been walking.

Westfacing Sun 18-Apr-21 07:41:41

I noticed that. Why for example was Peter Phillips there but not his sister Zara?

Arbadacarba Sun 18-Apr-21 07:42:57

Why just the three oldest?

Elders taking precedence is the fundamental principle on which the Royal Family operates.

Dozer Sun 18-Apr-21 07:44:51

The funeral did have a lot of examples of weird and IMO outdated UK royal rules / traditions.

JamMakingWannaBe Sun 18-Apr-21 07:45:10

I don't know enough about royal protocol but presumably she wanted to / he wanted her to.

They were all due to be driven back after the service but walked instead.

If all the grandchildren had walked behind the coffin their non royal husbands would have been driven which would have been weird.

JustWonderingIfYou Sun 18-Apr-21 07:45:10

I noticed that but assumed it was prince phillips choice. They did say he planned the funeral to a tee. You could imagine him discussing it with people, maybe anne specifically wanted to or it was limited numbers.
There were other spouses in the ceremony.

Oncemoretwicemore Sun 18-Apr-21 07:45:18

ElphabaTheGreen

I did wonder why it wasn’t more ‘one in, all in’ with the grandchildren. Why just the three oldest?

And why was Princess Anne’s husband the only spouse? Why not Camilla and Sophie? Earl of Snowdon was a random inclusion to outsiders as well, but presumably PP’s wishes.

I wondered why they didn’t just keep it to the four children (ie Charles, Anne, Andrew, Edward) as all us plebs will do is speculate wildly (and probably inaccurately).

Camilla and Sophie were there!

bettybattenburgs Sun 18-Apr-21 07:47:10

If they had all walked then nobody would have been in the chapel with the queen until the coffin arrived.

ElphabaTheGreen Sun 18-Apr-21 07:48:32

@Oncemoretwicemore

ElphabaTheGreen
I did wonder why it wasn’t more ‘one in, all in’ with the grandchildren. Why just the three oldest?

And why was Princess Anne’s husband the only spouse? Why not Camilla and Sophie? Earl of Snowdon was a random inclusion to outsiders as well, but presumably PP’s wishes.

I wondered why they didn’t just keep it to the four children (ie Charles, Anne, Andrew, Edward) as all us plebs will do is speculate wildly (and probably inaccurately).

Camilla and Sophie were there!

Yes, but we’re talking about who did/didn’t walk behind the hearse. Why was Anne’s the only spouse to walk was what I’m saying.

Thatwentbadly Sun 18-Apr-21 07:49:15

@Oncemoretwicemore Camilia in the high lights video I saw on the bbc

ineedaholidaynow Sun 18-Apr-21 07:49:26

@Oncemoretwicemore think that poster is saying why did Princess Anne’s husband walk but other (female) spouses didn’t

terrywynne Sun 18-Apr-21 07:52:59

As with many things involving the royal family, I would guess tradition...

State/ceremonial funerals have been updated and adapted over the centuries but you can trace elements of them back to the 'heraldic funerals' of the 15th and 16th century. One feature of those was that you would have a smaller number of 'mourners' following immediately behind the hearse in the procession and that they would always be the same sex as the deceased. This necessarily meant that you could end up with close relatives excluded in favour with more distant connections of the right sex.

I haven't looked at the procession of every funeral since then (!) but George VI for example only had two men walking behind the hearse for the final part of his procession.

Obviously this is now the 21st century so I imagine you would do longer automatically exclude the deceased daughter but I suspect the same principal of having a restricted number of mourners immediately behind the hearse in the procession (instead of every relative) still applies.

terrywynne Sun 18-Apr-21 07:53:57

As to who makes up that restricted number of mourners that probably comes down to personal choice of the Queen/Prince Philip and the family members involved.

FlyingBurrito Sun 18-Apr-21 07:55:02

Dozer

The funeral did have a lot of examples of weird and IMO outdated UK royal rules / traditions.

It seemed to be mentioned many times that Prince Philip had planned every bit of the funeral so presumably he had reasons for his choices. I don't so any of it matters if the family were all happy to carry out his wishes.

MakingPlans21 Sun 18-Apr-21 07:57:02

How long was the walk? Did the celebs walk that very long path in heels for Meghan’s and Harry’s wedding?

GlencoraP Sun 18-Apr-21 07:57:15

Because those are the people Prince Philip wanted to walk behind his coffin.

katiedidnt Sun 18-Apr-21 07:58:31

jeanne16

While the funeral was beautiful, I couldn’t help feeling annoyed that Princess Anne was the only female to walk behind the hearse. Surely all the grandchildren could have been included. Instead we see Beatrice, Eugenie and Zara tottering along on high heels. It would have been so much better to see them take an equal place with the men.

Haven't two of those only recently given birth?

Sure, let's make the new mums march... That won't at all be uncomfortable for them.

Sparklingbrook Sun 18-Apr-21 07:59:19

Maybe it was because there would have just been too many people walking? Could be Covid or security related.
I don’t see how it matters at all.

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