Father's for justice...WT actual F

[Smithtylater]

Just checked out their instagram page (f4jofficial) after this Caroline Flack/kerry Katona thing. Wtf have they become? They seem like an extremist group trolling female celebrities with gossip nonsense .They seem to hate everyone with a vagina! I remember when they were a few blokes climbing up buildings dressed up as batman. And they are a 'charity'!!

[NeverTwerkNaked]

They always have been fairly awful.

[looondonn]

Speechless

Bunch of thugs 😡😡😡

[MickCarter]

They’ve always been awful, they’re more like an MRA or MGTOW group than a support group. Just search F4J on mumsnet, never mind the rest of the internet and you see some awful things they do and say.

[knowmenclature]

What I've seen over the years is that they act pretty abusively to women, so its truly horrifying that they have secured a charity status to get funding to abuse women.

Many perpetrators have joined them. What an abuse of the system of charity funding, makes a total mockery of it really doesn't it.

[Smithtylater]

Its honestly disgraceful! And why even involve Caroline and her fiance? They didnt have kids! They obviously hate women...tagging womensaid in articles about her saying 'what have you got to say about this'. Bullying pigs..

[Smithtylater]

They have their next target...Chantelle Houghton! Tbh though would you want your child to be around Alex Reid ??!?

[pumpkinbump]

Probably the reason disgusting drug taking abusive father's are allowed unsupervised access to their children.

[PyongyangKipperbang]

Incels by any other name.

[megletthesecond]

I saw them (him?) go after a tv presenter a few years ago.

[TheProdigalKittensReturn]

What do you mean "become"? They've always been nutters.

[1000atfc5423]

Not much different from al-Qaeda and it's time the government and media treated them as the extremists they are... instead of playing footsie with them.

[ScarlettSahara]

They are a vile bunch. Friend with kids who got divorced reckoned her ex was getting advice from them on how to break her. He did some nasty stuff.

[Ofthread]

Kind of vigilante group

[knowmenclature]

How would anyone know that Scarlett ?

I mean, I have heard it before about many incel/anti women type groups online, but you'd have no way of knowing would you?

[FreshFancyFrogglette]

1000, not much different from Al kieda? seriously?! I'm not disputing it, just questioning what makes them that bad? I had no idea? Am so on the fence about this one, as I know men deprived of seeing their kids and its breaking them, and they've got no legal aid option really, and mediation is pain.. Would love to know what terrible things they've done, just to get a balance view, as I currently don't empathise with the views of them displayed here...

[GlummyMcGlummerson]

They don't give a shut about having access to their kids either, they just want to not be able to pay maintenance to their exes.

[FreshFancyFrogglette]

Don't know glummy, the man I know is desperate to see his kid, it's breaking him to pieces. Heartbreaking.

[ScarlettSahara]

Knowmen - we are going back over 10 years but from what I can recall she saw what he had accessed online from them. Fresh I am sure there are some fathers with genuine grievances whose exes act out of hurt/spite to keep the kids from their Dads.

[Aridane]

Not much different from al-Qaeda

Yes, because they regularly bomb civilians, destroy landmark buildings and other stiff

[Aridane]

(stuff)

[rainbowlou]

My abusive ex printed off a huge document via f4j for me to sign giving him parental rights and more for my dd..the few pages I read were chilling, if I had signed it I would have been literally handing over all our life decisions to him (mine and hers!)
Funnily enough I told him to fuck off and 10 years on he still hasn’t taken me to court, despite his promises to!

[Scott72]

"more like an MRA or MGTOW group..."

MGTOW is a misogynist movement. MRA is supposed to be just about getting fair treatment for dads. I suppose the whole movement has drifted more towards misogyny too, unfortunately.

[BrendasUmbrella]

Don't know glummy, the man I know is desperate to see his kid, it's breaking him to pieces. Heartbreaking.

I'm sure there are exceptions, but most of the men I've known who are vocal about their desperation to see their children don't actually do much about it.

Desperation means you get legal advice, you follow through on it, if you can't afford a court case you get a second job stacking shelves to make the money. Desperation lends itself to action.

What has your friend done so far to try to gain access?

[knowmenclature]

Ita actually extremely difficult to keep father's and dc apart, so I'm not sure why any man would not have legal access to his dc short of there being abusive grounds. Even then, men still will often have access.

[TheProdigalKittensReturn]

It's because abusers are sometimes denied access that F4J exists.