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Daily Telegraph "Sex change men 'will soon be able to have babies'

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GurlwiththeCurl Sat 04-Nov-17 15:59:42

This is not about transmen having babies, but the idea that transwomen will soon be able to have functioning womb transplants. Surely this is impossible for a number of reasons? AIBU to think that any available money should be put into research to help women who have fertility issues not into helping transwomen get pregnant and produce babies? Womb transplants, when possible should be used to help infertile women, not transwomen?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/04/babies-born-transgender-mothers-could-happen-tomorrow-fertility/

noblegiraffe Sat 04-Nov-17 16:02:34

Hands up who thinks that sex change men will not soon be able to have babies because it’s a bit more complicated than having a uterus?

GurlwiththeCurl Sat 04-Nov-17 16:05:04

Exactly, it sounds so far fetched to me. There are so many other things to consider. It is not just a matter of plumbing!

Branleuse Sat 04-Nov-17 16:05:20

you know what will end up happening. They will be harvesting wombs from poor destitute brown women in underdeveloped countries for rich people, in the same way that they harvest kidneys, skin, use them as surrogates. It wont be a good thing

Inig0M0nt0ya Sat 04-Nov-17 16:08:31

Oh jolly good.
I bet if men, sorry transwomen, can ever have babies they will be far superior to the bog standard babies that women have hmm

Branleuse Sat 04-Nov-17 16:09:38

www.youthkiawaaz.com/2017/03/how-women-from-nepal-are-trafficked-to-india-and-disfigured-to-make-rich-men-and-women-beautiful/

www.hindustantimes.com/india/trafficked-tribal-girls-forced-to-conceive-deliver-babies-for-sale/story-KEbZAB2au7Gyw9aspupTEI.html

like this, but with wombs. I fucking predict it.

MrsTerryPratchett Sat 04-Nov-17 16:10:08

They will be harvesting wombs from poor destitute brown women in underdeveloped countries for rich people, in the same way that they harvest kidneys, skin, use them as surrogates. It wont be a good thing

Margaret Atwood will soon be considered a journalist, rather than a fiction writer.

Aderyn17 Sat 04-Nov-17 16:16:43

They are going to need a very big operation to get a womb in the first place, IVF, hormones and anti rejection drugs to support any pg and a c section to deliver the baby. I can't see many men transwomen queueing up for that, so I think it will be quite far off.
If I died and was donating organs I would not allow my womb to be harvested for this and I think many women would be similar. Where are they going to get the eggs from? I thought surrogacy had been clamped down on in India to protect poor women - cannot see any govt sanctioning this.

busyboysmum Sat 04-Nov-17 16:21:55

I am sure that I read somewhere that the donor has actually to be alive so either braindead or a live donor who has agreed to donate the womb. So that is really ripe for exploitation so far as I can see.

busyboysmum Sat 04-Nov-17 16:25:23

"Procuring a uterus would be necessary – either from a living donor or from a brain-dead donor – a complicated, ten-hour operation."

DJBaggySmalls Sat 04-Nov-17 16:27:40

Even if they buy a womb, where will they get eggs from? Will they be using 'donor' eggs with their own frozen sperm? How do they think they're going to create an adequate blood supply and where will the hormones come from?
They;re living in a fantasy and they;re dragging children into it.

Who the fuck thinks this is the best start in life for a child? People who actually care about kids do something for children like support charities that help them. These men are only thinking of their own desires.

sooperdooper Sat 04-Nov-17 16:29:15

I wonder if you'd be able to opt out of that as an organ donor? If not that's me off the donor register

DrinkFeckArseGirls Sat 04-Nov-17 16:31:59

Selfish and shallow. Will they shit. Who needs women anyway, men are much better at being them anyway.

DrinkFeckArseGirls Sat 04-Nov-17 16:33:24

That’s an interesting point soopeedooper. I bet it’ll be true wihin a short period of time too hmm
and you’re a bigot if you say you don’t want your body parts to be used for that.

Greypaw Sat 04-Nov-17 16:50:13

Presumably it’s not just trans women or biological women who can have the transplant. I’m sure there are men in same sex relationships who would like the ability to do this too. If having a uterus is not related to womanhood, I’m guessing womanhood is not a prerequsite to having a uterus.

Oddmanout Sat 04-Nov-17 16:54:12

YANBU - I completely agree it should be spent on infertility treatments. I personally think its disgusting that hormone meds for TG people costing hundreds and hundreds per month are available on the NHS but yet they're cancelling funded IVF treatments. Should absolutely be the other way around IMO.

sagamartha Sat 04-Nov-17 17:01:58

* I personally think its disgusting that hormone meds for TG people costing hundreds and hundreds per month are available on the NHS*

I think it's disgusting people quote things like this on the internet when they don't have a clue about it.

ChelleDawg2020 Sat 04-Nov-17 17:05:11

YANBU to think it's far-fetched, but YABU to say that money should be spent on something "better" instead. With that attitude there would never be any scientific progress. As a species humans have survived and advanced because they are willing to tackle things that seem impossible or unnecessary.

If we accept the argument that research shouldn't be undertaken into allowing trans people to have children because the money should be spent on IVF, then common sense means we also accept that IVF shouldn't be carried out because the money could be spent on helping poor and vulnerable children that are already alive.

sagamartha Sat 04-Nov-17 17:07:29

I doubt that transwomen will be queuing up for a womb transplant - given the fact it's a major operation, requires major surgery and a lifetime of immunosupressant drugs to prevent rejection. Plus all the other issues of hormones etc during pregnancy.

It seems like a story designed to promote vitriol at transwomen.

Aderyn17 Sat 04-Nov-17 17:18:21

IVF is about using science and medicine to help people do what their bodies are designed to do. Same with organ transplants etc. Womb transplants into biological males is not.

Screepy Sat 04-Nov-17 20:38:13

Just because we can doesn't mean that we should.

Crashbangwhatausername Sat 04-Nov-17 20:59:18

Yy to screepys comment. As I’m anonymous I will admit as a student midwife I would feel extremely uncomfortable catching the baby of a genetically xy human and assisting them in their postnatal care

Efferlunt Sat 04-Nov-17 21:27:03

Surely the ethical implications of this are too great to contemplate. Imagine the risk to the life of the baby throughout the period of gestation in a experimental womb.

diddlemethis Sat 04-Nov-17 21:41:16

Hmmm, given that most trans women don’t get “bottom surgery” I can’t imagine they will be queuing up for this major surgery.

I don’t see many trans women doing the reality of being female, its all the sexy show they screen in their own minds.

It’ll be interesting to see how the intersectional feminists rationalise procuring body parts from probably non white and poor women, to meet the wish fulfilment of white (previously) men.

diddlemethis Sat 04-Nov-17 21:45:46

But a bunch of kids will read about this and think it is a real option.

Anyone who questions it will be called bigot.

Their doctor/councillor won’t be allowed to question their rationality.

Their schools will support them while they take Lupron and then later are spayed/neutered.

The kids underlying issues won’t be addressed, there won’t be any support available in case they want to halt the process or de transition.

Its all a bit grim.,

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