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The situation in LA

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Cheesefiend36 · 14/12/2021 10:34

www.nytimes.com/2021/12/12/us/los-angeles-mayor-race.html

I've been reading with interest that LA has had a terrible time of it since Covid and new anti prison sentence laws which has seen crime go up. I follow somebody who was in LA for a holiday last week and vowed never to go back after seeing the amount of poverty, homeless camps in tourist places, crime rates and a general feeling of not being safe. Lifeless bodies on the side of the road is apparently the norm with no body batting an eyelid

LAPD have recommended that tourists stay away because they can't keep them safe

Is anyone there right now or has been recently that can share their experience?
So much wealth there, how can this be happening?

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ComtesseDeSpair · 14/12/2021 10:56

It’s hugely multifaceted. Housing in California, but especially in Los Angeles and other major cities, is astronomically expensive. Combine this with stagnant income, lack of investment in mental health services, lack of tenant protections, and mass incarceration (an estimated 60% of LA’s homeless population has cycled through the criminal justice system) and the result is an enormous number of unstable, I housed people without adequate services to support them. It’s a particular issue in L.A also because they climate is good and historically people travel there with a “streets are paved with gold” view of the place - and then realise it isn’t far too late when their money runs out.

MissMinutes24 · 14/12/2021 11:21

Some close friends of ours moved to LA about 6 months before the pandemic and moved back once the pandemic started. They've said now they'll never go back. What they're hearing from friends work colleagues out there is shocking - they lived in West Hollywood which was always fairly safe (my friend said she felt safer there than in London pre-pandemic), now there are robberies at gunpoint every day, people being beaten on the street, burglaries etc.

There's even a new thing of flash mob robberies https://wehoville.com/2021/11/27/l-a-reeling-after-streak-of-flash-mob-robberies/

The biggest problem is obviously the availability of guns. Then a pandemic in which many people are sick and/or have lost their jobs. Jobs are how most people get healthcare (the employer pays for their health insurance) and so if you've lost your job (say because of all the stay at home orders etc) you've lost your healthcare - in the middle of a literal pandemic.

There was already a lot of homelessness in LA even pre-pandemic, that has now gone through the roof (because of people losing their jobs/getting sick etc) and to top it all off, all the BLM/defund the police marches have made the police much more hands off - they don't want the hassle of bad publicity/potential murder charges if they have an encounter with a suspect who they shoot dead (usually because said suspect already has a gun) and in some cases their powers have simply been neutered or indeed defunded by local government.

So some places have become completely lawless because the police just leave everyone to it.

It's utterly nuts.

musicalfrog · 14/12/2021 11:26

Since watching the Night Stalker I've always thought LA looks like a dive.

MissMinutes24 · 14/12/2021 11:33

@Cheesefiend36

www.nytimes.com/2021/12/12/us/los-angeles-mayor-race.html

I've been reading with interest that LA has had a terrible time of it since Covid and new anti prison sentence laws which has seen crime go up. I follow somebody who was in LA for a holiday last week and vowed never to go back after seeing the amount of poverty, homeless camps in tourist places, crime rates and a general feeling of not being safe. Lifeless bodies on the side of the road is apparently the norm with no body batting an eyelid

LAPD have recommended that tourists stay away because they can't keep them safe

Is anyone there right now or has been recently that can share their experience?
So much wealth there, how can this be happening?

Out of curiosity if this was a public Instagram account can you let me know which one it was? I'd like to share it with my friend
Cheesefiend36 · 14/12/2021 12:18

@MissMinutes24 it was Martha kalifatidis, it was on her IG stories so no longer available but there are news articles about what she posted :

www.pedestrian.tv/entertainment/martha-kalifatidis-michael-brunelli-horrific-holiday/

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Cheesefiend36 · 14/12/2021 12:22

@MissMinutes24

Some close friends of ours moved to LA about 6 months before the pandemic and moved back once the pandemic started. They've said now they'll never go back. What they're hearing from friends work colleagues out there is shocking - they lived in West Hollywood which was always fairly safe (my friend said she felt safer there than in London pre-pandemic), now there are robberies at gunpoint every day, people being beaten on the street, burglaries etc.

There's even a new thing of flash mob robberies [[https://wehoville.com/2021/11/27/l-a-reeling-after-streak-of-flash-mob-robberies/]]

The biggest problem is obviously the availability of guns. Then a pandemic in which many people are sick and/or have lost their jobs. Jobs are how most people get healthcare (the employer pays for their health insurance) and so if you've lost your job (say because of all the stay at home orders etc) you've lost your healthcare - in the middle of a literal pandemic.

There was already a lot of homelessness in LA even pre-pandemic, that has now gone through the roof (because of people losing their jobs/getting sick etc) and to top it all off, all the BLM/defund the police marches have made the police much more hands off - they don't want the hassle of bad publicity/potential murder charges if they have an encounter with a suspect who they shoot dead (usually because said suspect already has a gun) and in some cases their powers have simply been neutered or indeed defunded by local government.

So some places have become completely lawless because the police just leave everyone to it.

It's utterly nuts.

Honestly that's shocking to read, had your friends intended to emigrate there permanently? I just don't understand how this can be allowed to happen when so many powerful figures and voices reside there. I went years ago and loved it, I said I'd love to go back. I would be interested to know whether this is being seen in other "liberal" states ( liberal in "" because that's what people are saying has caused the apathy)
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MissMinutes24 · 14/12/2021 12:23

Thanks. Wow that is so depressing but tallies with everything I heard.

The crazy thing is a lot of the local newspapers (like LA Times) aren't even reporting it because it'll mean liberal policies they uncritically supported (such as defund the police/get rid of bail) have failed and they won't admit that.

MissMinutes24 · 14/12/2021 12:29

Yep they were planning to move out there permanently. There was a lot of homelessness even then and obviously they would have had to pay for health insurance (around $1000+ per month for a family of four easily) but work wise for both of them there was a lot more opportunity than the UK and they loved the lifestyle.

From what I understand the pandemic just flipped everything though and it's basically turned into a dystopia.

The rich people can cope because they all live in gated houses/communities with private security/police (Beverly Hills has its own police force for example - everywhere else just had LAPD).

But even the rich people can't escape it which is why they're investing in more security etc (https://www.tmz.com/2021/12/08/security-companies-seeing-boom-celeb-clientele-crime-spike/)

Just in the last few months alone one of the women from Real Houswives was burgled at gunpoint while she and her kids were in the house (https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/pictures/dorit-kemsley-robbed-what-we-know-about-rhobh-burglary/) and the CEO of Netflix's mother in law was murdered during a burglary (https://deadline.com/2021/12/jacqueline-avant-killed-home-invasion-clarence-avant-ted-sarandos-1234882797/).

The situation is really really bad out there.

MissMinutes24 · 14/12/2021 12:30

(By lifestyle I meant weather, outdoor activities etc)

Forion · 14/12/2021 12:44

Sounds like something from The Purge.

tcjotm · 14/12/2021 12:55

Wow, I had no idea. I always felt really safe in LA. It surprised me my first visit how comfortable I felt there and I happily went back a bunch of times. But my last visit was over 8 years ago now.

MissMinutes24 · 14/12/2021 12:57

@Forion

Sounds like something from The Purge.
So I'm on a rabbit hole now and the head of the police Union in LA made the exact same comparison last week https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/12/07/we-cant-guarantee-your-safety-head-of-lapds-police-officers-union-warns-tourists-away/
Scbchl · 14/12/2021 12:59

I follow her too and was shocked to read what she said and then the multiple replies to her story all saying the same. Absolutley astonishes me that people are living like that just stepping over dead bodies at the side of the road, going about their day in a developed country.

Blinkingbatshit · 14/12/2021 13:02

I’ve heard nasty reports from New York too….. so much for the 1st World..!!

HopefulHetty · 14/12/2021 13:04

I'd already vowed never to go to San Francisco again so I don't think LA us on my bucket list either.

ComtesseDeSpair · 14/12/2021 13:05

@Scbchl

I follow her too and was shocked to read what she said and then the multiple replies to her story all saying the same. Absolutley astonishes me that people are living like that just stepping over dead bodies at the side of the road, going about their day in a developed country.
I don’t think the “bodies” are actually dead: LA has been victim to the US opioid crisis on an enormous scale. It doesn’t make it better that these people are just under the influence rather than dead; but for ordinary Angelenos his is the daily reality and they’ve just gotten used to it.
Packingsoapandwater · 14/12/2021 13:07

My SIL and her husband have just come back from a multiyear work contract in LA.

All I can say is "woah." Their stories were shocking; they were counting down the days until they could get out. They hated it.

The place, according to them, is horrific. There's virtually no middle class anymore, so you just have extremely rich people and people on the poverty line. The atmosphere is horrible. LA itself is a dump, as is San Francisco, which apparently "stinks" and has to be seen to be believed -- human faeces on the pavements is a common occurrence.

The society itself is old-fashioned and very expensive the word used was "backward." Despite being the tech capital of the world, they still haven't brought in chip and pin, never mind contactless, and it costs something like $30 to send money electronically, even if it is just to your spouse. This makes it very difficult to do pretty much anything financial easily; it's like the '70s all cash and cheque.

The levels of education are dire. My BIL worked with graduates who had no idea other countries had different currencies, for example. They thought they all used the dollar. He said that it shocked him how naïve his colleagues were about so many things.

The overall impression I got was that Americans do not realise quite how bad it is themselves, largely because they have nothing to compare it to.

Though I must say that one of my relatives who was born and lives in San Diego came over before lockdown to visit us, and said he wished there was a way for him to emigrate to Britain. I thought this was odd at the time, but I'm starting to maybe understand where he was coming from. He kept talking about there being so much "community" in Britain, which may go to show how little "community" there is in LA and how that might manifest.

My SIL spoke about the racial issues over there. She's originally a South London girl who went to a multi-ethnic London school, and she said it was all just beyond weird, like some sort of sci-fi racial dystopia.

The both of them said they felt the US was heading towards some sort of reckoning, and that the situation and the general naivety of Americans probably explains some of the cultural movements coming out of the US that seem very peculiar to the rest of the West.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 14/12/2021 13:08

Oh god. We were supposed to be doing a big post A-level/GCSE/50th trip next summer to California. I'm already dithering about it because of COVID and then you hear about things like this. The kids were really looking forward to it but it just feels like it's the wrong time to be travelling anywhere far afield really....

SandysMam · 14/12/2021 13:13

There are parts of London that are like this now, tent cities, homeless people everywhere, human waste on the pavements. It’s terrifying.

Fearnecuptea · 14/12/2021 13:21

@CurlyhairedAssassin

Oh god. We were supposed to be doing a big post A-level/GCSE/50th trip next summer to California. I'm already dithering about it because of COVID and then you hear about things like this. The kids were really looking forward to it but it just feels like it's the wrong time to be travelling anywhere far afield really....
Oh no, definitely still go to California, just avoid the big cities! South Lake Tahoe, redwood forests, pacific coast highway, death valley- California is literally breathtakingly beautiful. Just not the cities.

I agree with what other posters have said about LA and San Francisco. I first went to both about 15 years ago and it didn't feel so meth-y then. I went to both cities 5 years ago and there was just really apparent drug abuse and tent cities EVERYWHERE. I would recommend people still fly in, but just drive straight out into the country. The cities aren't really ideal for tourist families I don't think.

TheElusivePotato · 14/12/2021 13:24

@CurlyhairedAssassin

Oh god. We were supposed to be doing a big post A-level/GCSE/50th trip next summer to California. I'm already dithering about it because of COVID and then you hear about things like this. The kids were really looking forward to it but it just feels like it's the wrong time to be travelling anywhere far afield really....
I’m sure you’ll be fine, just be cautious about where you go. We went 4 years ago and stayed in Anaheim and at the Universal Studios hotel so we could use Citywalk for eating and entertainment in the evenings. We then had organised tours to see the sights. Bits of San Francisco were a bit mucky, but I didn’t feel unsafe there. Monterey was fab!
MissMinutes24 · 14/12/2021 13:32

@SandysMam

There are parts of London that are like this now, tent cities, homeless people everywhere, human waste on the pavements. It’s terrifying.
Genuinely asking, no snark, where have you seen this? I live in London and apart from the centre of town, where there has always been homelessness, I don't recognize this. (And even in town I haven't seen tent cities).
Packingsoapandwater · 14/12/2021 13:34

Oh no, definitely still go to California, just avoid the big cities! South Lake Tahoe, redwood forests, pacific coast highway, death valley- California is literally breathtakingly beautiful. Just not the cities.

Yes, one thing my B/Sil said was that the country itself is beautiful. It's the society and culture that is the problem.

My BIL was shocked that so few of his educated American co-workers had actually ever left the state of California. Some of them had never even travelled to other parts of the state itself. They seemed all very siloed.

My B/SIL went everywhere they could, and travelled to all the various states. Another thing that shocked them was the extreme religiosity, even in California -- though they said the MidWest is unbelievable in this regard.

And we are not talking uber-left-liberal, high-cultured Europeans with my B/SIL at all. He's an natural resources engineer from a family of farmers and she works as a PA. For them to make these observations really says something.

Bionicname · 14/12/2021 13:40

This is unfettered Capitalism eating itself. There isn’t much of a safety net, no nhs, health care is tied to your job; it can be astronomical and ruin lives really quickly. Not sure if the US has anything like furlough either? It’s a society that values individual success, and the appalling flip side to that is - if things go wrong you’re on your own. It creates an undercurrent of misery and wasted lives and crime and drug abuse even at the best of times. Add to that a pandemic where things go wrong for great numbers of people and you have a society with no resilience that just breaks apart.

LifeIsWhat · 14/12/2021 13:41

@SandysMam

There are parts of London that are like this now, tent cities, homeless people everywhere, human waste on the pavements. It’s terrifying.
Where is it in London? I am curious. Maybe a local homeless charity can help? Thank you.