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Should I make sure someone sits in on any future meetings with my team member?

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TheYearOfTheCat · 05/07/2009 20:08

I had a meeting with a team member on Friday, who has not been performing since she joined the team. I had raised issues with her previously, and this was a meeting to follow up the various issues which had been discussed.

The meeting did not go well.

Basically the individual (a lady who is a bit older than me), refuses to accept that she is under-performing, and when I provided her with examples, she reacted aggressively and sarcastically. Throughout the meeting, she would try to put words in my mouth, for example - I discussed occasions when she has not appeared for work - and she would say - 'So you're saying I can't take leave!', so I would have to clarify & say, 'No, I am referring to the occasions when you have not come into work, without leave being granted' etc.

I found her behaviour during the meeting unacceptable and unprofessional - she would interrupt me mid-sentence and start laughing and in a sarcastic tone jeer, 'oh I have heard it all now!'

Throughout the meeting she was taking down selective notes - I can't explain it very well, but it was like it was being done in an intimidating way - each time I said anything, which she would then try to twist, she would break off, and make a point of scribbling down notes - which would take up to a minute each time. I actually said to her, 'would you mind not doing that - I find it very distracting, and it gives me the impression that you are more concerned about building some sort of dossier rather than listening to what I have to say.' I said she was welcome to make a record of the meeting afterwards, or if she wanted, I would get someone in to take notes - but she said 'No, and I'll take notes if I want.' I asked would she be sharing a copy of the notes and she replied 'certainly not!'.

I'm not quite sure how I managed it, but I kept my cool throughout the meeting, and emphasised that my goal was for everyone in the team to be performing and working well with each other, and outlined what I needed her to do.

However, I am not prepared to tolerate that sort of conduct in the future. Would it be unfair to the staff member for me to bring someone else to sit in on the meetings and take notes?

I have previously asked my HR about whether they would attend meetings, however they say they would not attend unless it is a formal procedure, and that by having someone else sit in, the staff member could claim it was unfair & overbearing, and she would be entitled to bring a friend. I work in a large public sector organisation.

At this stage, it is not a formal procedure, and as far as I am concerned, as a manager I am trying to address performance issues. However, it seems a bit that I feel I need to have someone present with me when I next speak to this individual.

Any advice would be gratefully received.

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JoesMummy09 · 11/07/2009 00:23

Unfortunately no improvement. God knows I tried! I stuck rigidly to the letter of the performance management process. Conducted weekly meetings, documented her behaviour and the meetings. Sometimes with an independent witness when she became abusive/emotional.

I also kept up her performance improvement plan even when she made allegations against me and other staff. I also conducted regular observations and gave her additional coaching and training. But most importantly I documented everything.

She resigned shortly before her third disciplinary hearing, after we which would have had to give her notice if she had been unable to supply any mitigating circumstances or evidence any improvement (she had previously had a written warning and a final written warning).

It was really awful going through it, even with lots of support from HR and my line manager. I just kept thinking of the impact her behaviour was having on other staff and the clients.

I can laugh now about some of the nutty things she did. She was bonkers!

I also feel very proud that I conducted myself properly and did not take the easy way out by just ignoring her behaviour.

TheYearOfTheCat it is now Saturday morning. It is officially the weekend so you must switch off from work and enjoy yourself. Otherwise you will go mad

TheYearOfTheCat · 11/07/2009 00:41

Ha! I think I am going mad!

I am really questioning myself - am I being overly critical? Have I not provided enough support? But I know that all I want is a MOS who is performing and pulling their weight - and this situation is far from it.

The thing is, I work part-time, and I have so many, many other pressing tasks to get done. This MOS is supposed to be helping me, but instead I am spending (quite literally) all my working hours managing her, and I need to go into work tomorrow (oh no - today) to get my actual work done - all unpaid.

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JoesMummy09 · 11/07/2009 01:00

I think you've answered your own worries there. The fact that you are questioning yourself means you are thinking very carefully about what you're doing.

When someone is not performing it is not just their own performance that is compromised... it is everyone around them as well. It sounds like you're paying the price having to go in when you should be off.

Bit management-speaky (apologies) but you either manage up or out when it comes to underperformance. Up is better, obviously, because it's more cost-effective and feels better for everyone. But you have to work with what you have and sometimes people are just in the wrong job.

You shouldn't be working unpaid (but you know that already) and your boss should be more supportive. Flowery's advice is spot on.

Can you talk to your line manager and tell him that this woman has told you she has a condition that means she can't do her role effectively and you are following the performance management and OH processes but in the meantime he needs to arrange a temporary member of staff to help out?

With my bonkers lady she was taking up all of my time too (she used to throw a tantrum if I spoke to other members of staff or tried to do their one-to-ones). I had to make a conscious decision to give up one hour of every day to specifically "managing" her and then either give her something to do that did not require any assistance from me or remove myself from the office (I took my laptop and went and worked in the basement. On one occasion I had to lock the door to keep her out and she scratched at it like an animal... ).

Good luck. It takes balls to manage a situation like this and it sounds like you've got it.

TheYearOfTheCat · 16/07/2009 17:44

RESULT!!

OK, not the best result in the world, but I got a phone call at home this morning to say that my MOS is going to be utilised within another unit in our department for the remaining 10 months before she retires.

I am not getting a replacement, but tbh, she was so draining on our resources that no MOS is better than that MOS.

Now, is it appropriate for me to brief her new manager on the issues I have encountered during a handover, or do I say nothing?

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CarGirl · 16/07/2009 18:03

Thank goodness she is retiring and only going to be a drain on finances for another 10 months!!!!!!!!!

If it is normal to do handovers then I would give a truthful factual one but leave the new manager to draw their own conclusions.

flowerybeanbag · 16/07/2009 19:46

That certainly is a result, at least for you! And yes I absolutely would brief this woman's new manager on the problems you've been having.

TheYearOfTheCat · 16/07/2009 22:20

Someone earlier mentioned about people like this being moved around public sector organisations like 'dead wood'. Part of me thinks that I would have liked to see this matter through to its conclusion, and that as soon as the managing got tough, she sought, and got, a move. Somehow getting away with it.

However I also know this has been preying heavily on me, and keeping me from my work - I feel like a massive weight has been lifted from my shoulders.

I wasn't sure if it would have been ethical for me to brief her new manager on the issues, but I suppose alerting the new manager may prevent her playing the same game she did with me.

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TheYearOfTheCat · 16/07/2009 22:24

BTW, I should have thanked all of you before for your advice and sharing your experiences - particularly valuable for showing me I am not the only one!

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CarGirl · 16/07/2009 22:28

I've seen this happen lots at my previous place of work (civil service) dh (still there) has someone in his office who seems to be on and off sick leave so much it's not true - the person doesn't even get given work to do anymore, now that she is on ssp the union makes up her pay to full........we're sort of thinking early retirement on health grounds could be the only solution!

TheYearOfTheCat · 16/07/2009 22:52

Maybe your DH & I work at the same place!

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