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Work Trip Dilemma

155 replies

EmmaJBas · 27/06/2026 00:42

Hi,

I work for an overseas government.

There’s a big meeting scheduled at HQ next month. My boss advocated for me to go - great!

Catch is that it’s a 12.5hr overnight flight (Monday), straight into work (Tuesday), two full days of meetings, fly home after last meeting (Thursday).

My boss is travelling Business, me Economy.
Total journey time ~16hrs.

Struggle to sleep on flights at the best of times, will be broken and not my best self with my new colleagues and management (been here 5 months). Plus feel a bit devalued.

Proposed to fly indirect at a fraction of of the cost (in Business) but not allowed.
Choice of carrier means can’t even use my own loyalty points to upgrade.

Should I suck it up, get back in my box and feel grateful?

Thoughts welcome and don’t want to be unreasonable. Thank you.

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EmmaJBas · 28/06/2026 00:27

SalmonOnFinnCrisp · 27/06/2026 21:18

12.5 hrs in economy is a pisstake.
I have travelled extensively with work and there is ZERO chance i would do this.

I'd tell your boss to enjoy the trip and you'll dial in.

Edited

😆😆😆love this, added to the suggestion list. Thank you.

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EmmaJBas · 28/06/2026 00:31

TwinklySquid · 27/06/2026 22:39

I’m not sure what the dilemma is.
It’s clear you are going to go no matter how poorly you are being treated.

I can’t believe you are being sold this as a great opportunity. It sounds like torture.

That's it: it's seen as a perk! Still unsure who I p*ssed off in a former life but anyhows. My choice is actually to push back with suggestions, however career-limiting. Thank you.

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EmmaJBas · 28/06/2026 00:33

Friendlygingercat · 27/06/2026 10:12

When I was an academic the rule was we flew economy to conferences but were allowed to use weekends qr annual leave to add on days to extend the trip. If we were lucky the flight turned out to have regulations that the 7 night stay was cheaper than a shorter stay. So then the uni paid for the hotel and meals for the extra nights but not entertainment. There seemed to be no problem about paying to stay in the best hotels - just everyone travelled economy. You learned to work around the regulations and get the best deal possible for yourself. And yes, presenting at conferences did increase your profile and chances of promotion.

I don't know if it is still like this but travelling was one of the biggest perks to being an academic. They would even advance you money for your expenses - although you have to produce receipts and account for it.

Ah the good life... that sounds so much more civilised... glad it was your experience... I'm that old (well, early 50s) that I also remember biz travel that used to be a lot kinder, slower and more FUN.

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EmmaJBas · 28/06/2026 00:36

CordeliaNaismithVorkosigan · 28/06/2026 00:14

I wouldn’t go because I’d be useless when I got there,so the value would be nil to the organisation. I’m not at all clear why you’re doing this-is there any career benefit, and will it still be a benefit if you screw up from sleep deprivation?

Couldn't agree more tbh but, unbelievably, it's been presented as a perk/great opportunity. And it IS - chance to meet new colleagues & management, visit HQ, take part in strategy meetings, etc., It's just the arrangements which are unfair in that they're not set up to allow me to do my best work. Thank you.

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EmmaJBas · 28/06/2026 00:39

TheWorthyNewt · 27/06/2026 22:19

Make an excuse not to go. To hell with that.

My mortgage payments disagree (also, love your ballsy reply 😆) Thank you.

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EmmaJBas · 28/06/2026 00:44

MouseMama · 27/06/2026 09:21

Lots of good tips above. Have you tried approaching your boss and explaining your concern and asking if they would share the business class seat with you so you swap midway through the flight?

not that they’ll say yes, but they might feel uncomfortable enough about your very legitimate concerns and push for you to travel business class too.

Like where you're coming from: they wouldn't swap but would hopefully feel a bit confronted and uncomfortable depending on their EQ. Unlikely to try but thank you.

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EmmaJBas · 28/06/2026 00:46

IDontHateRainbows · 28/06/2026 00:19

That can be a career killer in some places. I'd suck it up if I ever wanted any form of promotion there.

Yep, that's my sense too sadly. It's a very hierarchical, compliant org and culture.

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EmmaJBas · 28/06/2026 00:49

catspyjamas1 · 27/06/2026 09:17

Saturday night stay can very often reduce overall flight cost (& entire trip!). So, while the policy is what it is re cabin class, doesn't hurt to do a couple of searches to check and if it is, no harm for you to propose / ask.

Sorry your company's travel policy is so rubbish, OP. Been in the business travel industry for a long, long time & it still shocks me to see so many companies with ridiculous flight policies, encouraging red eye straight to the office etc. Bananas!

Yep, can you believe travelling earlier (even a Monday daytime flight) or staying on is not permitted. Must travel on the same flight as my boss.

Travel policy is broken. We're meant to have a TMC and don't, so random fares are booked, terrible rates, no duty of care, etc. No words.

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Inmyuggs · 28/06/2026 00:51

Go day before
Take a sedative natural or medicated to hekp you sleep.
I did a 1 hour flight up at 4am I was a wreck and sat likena zombie thru the training.
Why is it needed is beyond me.
Ask! Mention the fact of lack of sleep you are a human not a robot.

Pansykavalier · 28/06/2026 00:53

I would really push for travelling the day before. Surely this makes sense?

EmmaJBas · 28/06/2026 00:54

Whatabouterry · 28/06/2026 00:27

I think the fact your boss advocated for you to go suggests this wasn’t necessarily a core budget spend. And I’m assuming your boss will be the one that is really having to step up when they are there whereas your role is to get experience in, hence the need for them to travel business.
Obviously these are all assumptions, but in that case it’s up to you whether you want to take the opportunity or not. If it’s not imperative that you go then I would see no reason for them to increase the budget spend in this instance if your boss could easily do the trip alone.

That's a fair take actually, thank you. My boss did advocate for me to go yet my peers globally are going so unsure that my attendance is exceptional. Plus I'm contributing to the strategy preso for the main meeting, and prepping for all the side meetings with internal stakeholders.
Really think my only option is to keep pushing to fly earlier in the day (even though I've been told we need to fly together) and maybe offer to pay for accommodation myself. Perhaps that will motivate them into finally considering something more sustainable. Thank you.

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EmmaJBas · 28/06/2026 01:02

pickywatermelon · 27/06/2026 00:47

That’s pretty terrible. When I think back to times travelling when I was early in career that would have been fine - a good adventure and I had more energy - but now travelling long haul for work if not business frankly I am going to be a tired mess.

Is there any room to go a day or so early if the flights classes are watched over so much?

Your suggestion of indirect business seems the most sensible to me

Unsure if my earlier reply went through to you: thank you and I agree. Also, this is more about being set up to succeed and perform at the top of my game, than arriving like an extra from The Walking Dead.

Travelling earlier (even a Monday daytime flight) or staying on is verboten and I've been told that I must fly with my manager but will keep pushing for this. Maybe offer to pay my own hotel to show willing and shame them into arranging something more sustainable. Thank you.

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EmmaJBas · 28/06/2026 01:05

Comefromaway · 27/06/2026 01:02

Frankly, I’d refuse to go. I need my sleep & can’t function without.

your boss going business & you economy is insulting.

Trying to do good work and be on top of my game is going to be a non-starter.

And I'm trying not to be too proud but it does sting a bit.

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ReadingSoManyThreads · 28/06/2026 01:07

Wow - the amount of people on this thread who put up with shit like this is depressing. You people are the reason companies keep pulling unreasonable shit like this.

Any company who expects you to travel overnight & straight into work is abhorrent.

I would refuse personally, I don't sleep a wink on flights. Then I'd feel icky going straight into work without having showered and freshened up, on top of the night of no sleep.

You're in a shitty position because if you raise it as an issue, it'll negatively impact your position there. But if you accept it, it'll become expected every single time.

Personally, at this stage in my life (mid-forties), I'd refuse and wouldn't give a fuck if it killed my career, because I'd be busy looking for alternative employment instead.

autumn1610 · 28/06/2026 01:21

We can fly business i believe if the flight is over so many hours I think it’s 5. Don’t think it’s acceptable your boss can and you can’t id be pushing back

EmmaJBas · 28/06/2026 01:26

UhOhRatPoo · 27/06/2026 14:07

@EmmaJBas is your boss defending/enforcing the policy or simply shrugging and saying nothing they can do?

They are pushing for an upgrade on the basis of having to work straight away. Highly unlikely to be granted as my attendance is seen as a perk (untrue).

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BBKP · 28/06/2026 01:30

Could they at least bump you to ‘premium economy’ it makes a big difference

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 28/06/2026 01:31

Find another, better, employer. Expecting women to take the sexual assault risks associated with sleeping on a night flight is misogynist.

suburberphobe · 28/06/2026 01:45

I worked as travel secretary for an international company, IT. Years ago.

5 day trip to South Korea business flight for the boss and internatonal comms. person was normal.

They booked their own hotel.

Times have sure changed.

suburberphobe · 28/06/2026 01:56

Expecting women to take the sexual assault risks associated with sleeping on a night flight

EH? Tell the cabin crew! They are trained to deal with this kind of thing.

Never experienced this and I'm 71 and have been travelling since the age of 2, moving countries.

Can imagine it happens though. Some men are beyond the pale....

MaidOfSteel · 28/06/2026 01:59

If you don’t feel you can refuse the trip, you could explain the situation to your GP and ask him or her to prescribe a couple of sleeping pills. Should help you get some rest on each flight.

hereforthelolz · 28/06/2026 07:53

EmmaJBas · 28/06/2026 00:20

He is a she! It's less the cabin of travel tbh, more the expectation to come off such a long flight and with a big time difference straight into work and be expected to be on top of my game. I'm a terrible sleeper on flights at the best of times and trying do that sitting upright in a tight seat fills me with dread - it'll be 24hrs without sleep. No matter. Will have to suck it up. Thank you.

Sorry that was my unconscious bias showing throwing. Very rare in my organisation for senior leadership to be female 😒

It does sound unpleasant and will definitely be a test of resilience. And I agree with others that we shouldn’t have to suck these things up but I’m a realist and my experience is, if you turn it down you’ll not get offered the opportunity again or be seen as difficult.

So for me the crux would be hanging on whether you want career progression in this role.

(PS I’d not be able to sleep on a plane even if I had a king size bed so I’d push for going a day earlier if I were you).

MeandT · 28/06/2026 09:59

Understand OP that some organisations can be too hierarchical still when it comes to matters of basic human functioning like sleep - particularly large international/government ones.

But your workplace is the UK, and you have UK contractual hours.

Obviously I understand there is a career progression risk if you tell them to shove their "opportunity" to work for 65 hours instead of 37.5 (as travel time is certainly not a personal perk!)

So maybe focussing on what THEY are trying to achieve with it is the best angle? Your boss wants you there to demonstrate the high quality output of her department. She wants to look good compared to global peers who are also marketing her home country as a destination to other global powers (or similar - sounds like that's broadly your role, but I'm presuming to fill some gaps). Would you produce your best work:

A. Travelling without the ability to sleep flat, then walking straight into the room to showcase the best of what you've been working on all year while looking like you've spent the last day in a bomb shelter?

B: Presenting remotely so you are fresh & functioning & can respond at your best to ad hoc questions during the day. But miss out on the in-the-room body language & side conversations.

C: Overlook the picky elements of the travel policy which are in there to prevent staff from turning work trips into de facto holidays/family visits by tagging extra days onto business travel to their (typically) home country. And book you on a flight 24 hours earlier (at the expensive of your own weekend & family time) so you are time-adjusted, rested and firing on all cylinders at the event starts - so you can showcase the best of what her department has achieved all year.

D: Demonstrate that you are actually valued as an equal human being with equal needs to protect vital bodily functions and book you on the same class of travel as her [not going to happen].

In further support of C, some businesses have strict rules about the number of staff from senior leadership/a single department who can travel together (whether that is car, train, or plane), as a risk-management measure. Sending you on a separate plane from her means even if there is travel disruption, one of you is more likely to get there to present your material.

Personally, after a turn at a company with as shitty international travel policy due to cost management (even for the CEO, who had to do economy everywhere, including 16 hour flights) I wouldn't take a job that had a differential long-distance policy based on seniority. But as you say, you have a mortgage to pay & only you know what other opportunities there are in your industry & how much you can push back within your current organisation in the absence of another job offer on the table!

Good luck!

Deeandwizzy · 28/06/2026 10:16

It’s a few days, you’ll be fine. I’ve done it and I don’t sleep on planes either.

TwinklySquid · 28/06/2026 11:31

You are entitled to a gap between work. You’d have to look into the legalities of travelling to a place of work.

I would say to work you aren’t going unless you have your 11 hour break. Now, you’re happy to forgo that for business class as at least you can rest.

www.gov.uk/rest-breaks-work

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