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morello1 · 19/06/2026 21:44

Need a sense check because I’m genuinely struggling with this sorry quite a long gone but I’m going mad here
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A very close friend of mine (20+ years, not just a colleague - we’ve supported each other through divorces , family stuff, personal crises, the lot) took on a huge project for our company.

From the start I said I didn’t think he had the resources to deliver it in the timeframe he’s amazing but it was a huge ask, but I was overruled. Apparently my experience of project management didn’t count for a lot here

Over the last year I’ve spent a huge amount of time defending him, calming down frustrated people, smoothing things over with the client and generally acting as a bridge between him and everyone else. I knew there were problems because he’s been working the most insane amount of over time like beyond anything you would actually believe to a dangerous level - bu I t kept giving him the benefit of the doubt because I trusted him.

The project is now more than a month late the first delay was a disaster and it’s still touch and go whether it will finish in time for the new launch (think massive PR dinner event, press etc)

Looking back, I think he must have known much earlier that he was in trouble. If he’d been honest with me before Christmas, we could have brought in more people and potentially avoided a lot of this but whenever I asked him he played it down and just carried on

At the same time, there is a younger freelancer involved, I employed her and others to come and help. I was helping him with travel admin and saw photos on his phone by accident of them doing selfies and looking very gooey eyed and a friend saw them holding hands together outside work etc. Because they were about to be sent overseas together to finish the project - by me basically , I spoke to him and said in a nutshell whatever is going on with Jane, please keep it professional while you’re working onsite.

He completely denied there was anything going on. Was shocked that I would think that and said she’s a kid ! No way! (She’s 26 he’s 53)
Since then it’s become increasingly obvious that there is no way he can deny it

The thing is, I’m not actually most upset about the relationship itself. They’re adults. Although if I’m honest, I do feel pretty disappointed that a man I respected has turned out to be one of those middle-aged men who ends up dating someone more than half his age. I know that’s my own bias talking, but it’s there.

What I’m really upset about is the dishonesty. I feel like I’ve spent months defending him, protecting him, lending him my credibility and taking heat from other people on his behalf. All the while I was being told everything was fine when it clearly wasn’t.

The romance almost feels symbolic of the bigger issue. I asked him directly for honesty and professionalism, knowing full well what I had already seen, and he still denied it!! Although I didn’t say I knew for sure as there was still a grain of doubt and trust there

I think what has shocked me is the loss of respect. This isn’t some random colleague. This is someone I’ve loved as a friend for over 20 years and right now I feel like I don’t know him at all.
Am I being unfair, or would other people feel betrayed by this too? I mean yes I guess you probably would but on Monday I’m flying out to join him and the team for the launch and what the eff so I say?! I’m so angry!!! Sit and watch him with is new girl when I know how much a. Bad fuck up this is ! Oh and also still the project may not be finished ….

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Mumoftwoboysaged4and5 · 19/06/2026 21:47

If this man is her boss then that is gross misconduct and an abuse of power. He should be fired.

Silverbirchleaf · 19/06/2026 21:50

They say never mix business with pleasure, and that’s what’s happened here. The friendship (‘pleasure’) has been soured by the business, plus you’ve seen another side of him.

morello1 · 19/06/2026 22:08

It’s murky I think cause she’s a freelancer and while he is the superior it’s not a standard set up of him being her boss per se
but yes I agree it’s pukesville.

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morello1 · 19/06/2026 22:11

But seeing someone post it as gross misconduct really helps me justify my deep unease here

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WhatYouWearing · 19/06/2026 22:13

Fuck that shit!

morello1 · 19/06/2026 22:17

Is it gross misconduct for real? Sorry I know little about employment law - they are both consenting adults… but it feels yuck on top of the nightmare work situation he’s put me in

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Mumoftwoboysaged4and5 · 19/06/2026 23:03

It will depend on your company policy, but if he has directly hired her and then oversees her work and has slept with her, I don’t see how that can be viewed in any other light. You need to have a quiet word with HR

BatshitIsTheOnlyExplanation · 20/06/2026 22:36

I feel your pain!

But in terms of getting the project delivered, I think that in parallel with the smoothing over etc. that you did within your organisation, I think you should have put more pressure on him to deliver and increase his accountability by forcing progress updates to the wider team.

The fling bit is distasteful, but isn't the main point here.

CypressGrove · 20/06/2026 22:44

What is your working relationship with him - are you senior to him? It seems you have blurred professional boundaries on this project due to your friendship yourself. Would you have behaved the same if it was someone else running the project?

morello1 · 20/06/2026 23:52

This is possibly true good perspective- we are the same level he’s been there a couple of years more than me but it’s not a standard company we work collaboratively as it were I do the admin he does the fabrication which is quite unique

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morello1 · 20/06/2026 23:54

BatshitIsTheOnlyExplanation · 20/06/2026 22:36

I feel your pain!

But in terms of getting the project delivered, I think that in parallel with the smoothing over etc. that you did within your organisation, I think you should have put more pressure on him to deliver and increase his accountability by forcing progress updates to the wider team.

The fling bit is distasteful, but isn't the main point here.

Appreciate that comment actually- I’ve thinking need to separate out the fling it’s just a symptom and become symbol of my sense of let down here in general him as a colleague is one thing but maybe the fling stands in for my sense of disappointment overall

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ChavsAreReal · 21/06/2026 13:04

morello1 · 19/06/2026 22:17

Is it gross misconduct for real? Sorry I know little about employment law - they are both consenting adults… but it feels yuck on top of the nightmare work situation he’s put me in

Probably not.

Gross misconduct is usually reserved for something very serious like theft or violence.

Lots of people have relationships at work. Its common. She's not his student or a child. The exception would be if there is something specific in his contract about this situation. (Unusual)

Repeatedly telling lies about the state of the project would be serious misconduct.

Imo the bigger question is why you've covered for him for so long.

morello1 · 22/06/2026 06:57

Yes thank you I wonder why too, although I wasn’t really “covering” for him - ie I didn’t lie to anyone when I could see there were issues, I found myself in the position of explaining the delays on his behalf and he was so focused on completion/fabrication that he couldn’t directly join any meetings and he had been chronically dishonest to both me (and himself too I guess) as to how behind he was

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AImportantMermaid · 22/06/2026 07:08

He’s a grown man. This means that:

  1. He can take accountability for his own actions. If he can’t make a meeting/needs extra resources/has to report a delay then it is his job to do that - not yours. You’re not his messenger and he’s not accountable to you. Sometimes things have to fail to highlight that something is too challenging or wrong and at the moment it sounds like you’re both just fudging everything and making it 10 times worse.
  2. His relationship is his own business. It’s not yours to police and again, if it’s something he needs to make management aware of then it’s his job to do so. Yes, it might be ‘icky’ but provided it’s not illegal or against company policy then let them get on with it. If it is, this he has to take responsibility for it.

You're not his mum and he’s as senior as you. He knows what he needs to do, even if he doesn’t want to do it. All you are doing is muddying the waters.

IDontHateRainbows · 22/06/2026 07:12

Mumoftwoboysaged4and5 · 19/06/2026 21:47

If this man is her boss then that is gross misconduct and an abuse of power. He should be fired.

Not always although some places have disclosure policies. Can't know if this one does. Consenting adults and all that. She's 26, not 16.

Grim yes but not necessarily a disciplinary matter.

AImportantMermaid · 22/06/2026 07:14

The other thing you need to think about carefully is that if you are smoothing, minimising, or explaining away the lack of progress you are complicit in the failure of delivery. I really do think you need to take a step back before you find yourself in the poo too.

sesquipedalian · 22/06/2026 07:22

OP, there are two distinct issues here: the contract, and the relationship. It sounds as though he has thoroughly overreached with the contract, and if it doesn’t finish in time for the big launch, that will have repercussions not only for him but for you and the company. That is one issue.
The other is this relationship with a younger colleague, of which you sound almost jealous. What difference would it have made if he’d said yes, he was involved in a relationship with this younger colleague? For all you know, they might just be close friends, or even just at the beginning of a relationship where they’re not quite sure where it will go. You are right to insist on professionalism in the workplace, but beyond that, it’s absolutely none of your business. You say, “This is someone I’ve loved as a friend for over twenty years” - perhaps you are more invested in this friendship than he is. He’s allowed to lead his life, and he doesn’t need to let you know every time he engages in a new relationship. The work contract, though, is entirely another matter, and I hope for all your sakes that he manages to pull the chestnuts out of the fire and complete in time for the launch.

3luckystars · 22/06/2026 07:47

I think:
don’t regret what you did to help a team mate, it’s what any decent team mate would do, but it sounds to me you have been gaslit and ignored when you aired your questions and you were proven right about it all.

Step back a bit and just get the job done now. You were right all along. Nothing to be disappointed in, you trusted him despite a gut feeling, and he let you down. Don’t change who you are because of him. I would seriously question your management though, why you weren’t listened to ? Are you respected, or were you covering for him to such an extent that you were not airing your doubts out loud ?

Separately but similarly, a relative of mine went to Thailand for a week recently by himself and I know what he was up to and my eyes are now fully open to who his is. I see it now.

morello1 · 22/06/2026 11:16

Thank you @3luckystars to me you boiled it down very well

I have been ignored by management which is sadly not something I’m unused to and fortunately another project manger has really stood by me here so we both know how it’s unfolded and we know it’s not on me.

I don’t regret helping him as best I could and I think I’ve I’ve over thought it really, and reading all these comments has definiteIy helped me see that and actually work out I need to separate out our friendship from our working relationship

I would actually like to be able to say I would be super happy for him if the relationship works out I just fear for them both - hes certainly raised his eyebrows about another person we know in common who’s in a relationship with such a large gap - so I worry and that’s for them both. But I need to forget about it really if he wants to keep it low key then fair enough, I probably caught him off guard when I asked him directly, another colleague said he is also both happy and sad for him. So it’s not only me feeling it. It’s awkward but not the end of the world.

yes the bigger problem is the project fuck up

im getting in the plane now so I’ll see how plays out shortly !

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AlphaApple · 22/06/2026 12:28

It’s a useful lesson to learn to keep the personal and the professional separate and to not get too sucked into other people’s work dramas.

Re the relationship, they’re both consenting adults, he’s not her boss and you haven’t mentioned that he’s married or in a relationship. I don’t think there’s much to judge.

morello1 · 22/06/2026 13:08

Yes nailed it really

the one thing I’d say is sadly we’d hope to hire her on a full time basis because she’s great and I think that’s going to be totally off the cards now. It won’t be uk to me but I just can’t see it happening

But yes consenting adults so really no problem I suppose 🤷‍♀️ it’s just we all (not just me) feel a bit sad about it as we foresee a train wreck !

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FizzyPopLove · 22/06/2026 13:12

This is creepy of him. He’s truly dishonest and unreliable. Please don’t ever defend him again. Let him hoist himself by his own petard. You have helped him enough. He’s vile.

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