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Moved to a permanent NHS Band 8a role and now bored

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YesYesIDid · 08/04/2026 19:32

NHS middle management, non-clinical (Band 8a). My role is quite changeable and a bit of a 'jack of all trades' as it's been created around five years ago and nobody can seem to quite agree on the actual job description.

Been doing the role on secondment for three years and kind of made it my own, I know that I provide valuable support for operational and clinical managers so they can get on and do the 'on the floor' management stuff while I e.g. write their reports, data analysis, etc. Recently been offered the same post permanently covering another area of the same Trust so of course jumped at the chance...

The new area works differently in that the staff are pooled rather than having a post for each service.... but not only that, the role seems to be a glorified admin role and not much more! For example, training figures get emailed over every week, I would do a deep dive and identify trajectories in terms of compliance and where additional courses would need to be provided... the new area just send it on to the clinical managers to do the same.

I thrive off being busy, usually more than busy. I'm ASD and ADHD but have that peculiar advantage which means I can hyperfocus and get stuff done in half the time of most NT people (it's just the way I've always been). But because of the way the new job is, that means I AM SO BORED. I literally ask what else can I do but our manager is so hard to pin down I literally don't know. I can't carry on like this!

I'm still looking for other opportunities but as what I do is quite niche and redundancy is a real thing these days the posts are few and far between. I just don't know what to do without exposing my colleagues not to be doing the job properly (not their fault, it's not deliberate - they can only do what is asked of them and won't be aware of every additional task I did in my previous area) - but these people are being paid £62k a year to do basic admin....

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MakingPlans2025 · 09/04/2026 22:16

CatsMagic · 09/04/2026 21:24

Band 8 at any level are not middle management roles - band 6 is middle management, band 7 service and operational management, Band 8 is executive and director level. You would typically be expected to have post grad level qualifications for these roles.

It sounds like you need to revisit your job title and job description OP to see what your day to day job should be entailing- you should be managing department heads and operational managers alongside your other duties and responsibilities- are you missing chunks of your actual responsibilities?

This is absolute bollocks.

CatsMagic · 10/04/2026 10:41

I work in NHS HR and am involved in Recruitment across 2 trusts , it’s certainly true of those trusts !

MakingPlans2025 · 10/04/2026 16:51

CatsMagic · 10/04/2026 10:41

I work in NHS HR and am involved in Recruitment across 2 trusts , it’s certainly true of those trusts !

Band 8a staff are on the board at your trusts? Ok…

Lararoft · 10/04/2026 16:54

Well @YesYesIDidyou could be stuck in a band 3 more or less min wage role like me.

TheHouse · 10/04/2026 16:57

Couldn’t do it not for all the tea in China.

Boredom isn’t just boredom to me it’s soul death. Crucifying infact. I’m jealous of people in such roles who can sustain boredom for higher salaries. Have tried and failed that a few times in my life.

I just need to be where the life and action is.

Arlanymor · 10/04/2026 20:04

Blushingm · 08/04/2026 20:04

I sort of agree with this

But band 10 doesn’t exist in the NHS so not sure you could have been a band 10?

Sorry it was about a decade ago, whatever deputy director level was - probably informally 9/10 but I think it was the higher salary level which is letters then I believe?

EmeraldRoulette · 10/04/2026 20:11

@YesYesIDid are you home based?

Or can you look for other stuff or take stuff off colleagues to help them?

YesYesIDid · 12/04/2026 16:54

@Gettingonabitnow please tell me how I'm gloating? I WANT to be busier, I absolutely hate being bored and I'm worried about the impact it may have on my mental health as I thrive on having a lot of work to do...

@CatsMagic @NoctuaAthene has outlined what I was going to say... I'm a Business Manager (I'm sure there are hundreds of us across the country so that won't be outing!) so I provide a support function to senior managers... I'm definitely nowhere near an executive level and my role doesn't involve staff management. The job description etc. is so vague as to be almost useless but I know 100% I'm not missing anything

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Firesidechatter · 12/04/2026 17:03

Arlanymor · 08/04/2026 19:37

You started off talking about being bored and then ended the thread being judgemental and rude about your colleagues. What is your issue here exactly because you have conflated your boredom with nasty observations about your colleagues. Make your mind up. Do you usually harbour unkind views about those you work with? You seem to think you’re overachieving and perfect. I wonder if they feel the same way about you. And saying ‘it’s not their fault’ sounds unbearably patronising. Who died and made you the top of the tree? And if it helps when I worked for the NHS I was band 9/10 and would never have thought I was better than anyone else. We all contribute - it’s literally how the health service works.

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Omg imagine coming onto a thread and lying about being in the nhs so you could have a go.

Arlanymor · 13/04/2026 18:34

Firesidechatter · 12/04/2026 17:03

Omg imagine coming onto a thread and lying about being in the nhs so you could have a go.

I worked for the NHS for over a decade and in England and Wales. Banding doesn’t work the same way in both countries due to devolution. Plus when you’re working a maternity contract you get the salary range and not the banding spine point when you’re employed via a recruitment agency. Hope you can wrap your head around that.

YesYesIDid · 13/04/2026 18:43

@Arlanymor As someone who's worked in the NHS longer than that, including for ALBs that covered staff in England and Wales, there's literally never been a Band 10 in the NHS in either country. Even going on salary range, the equivalent would be Band 9/VSM salary. Hope you can wrap your head around that. But then again, comprehension isn't your strong point anyway since you deduced my original post was a personal dig at my colleagues 🙄

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Arlanymor · 13/04/2026 18:59

YesYesIDid · 13/04/2026 18:43

@Arlanymor As someone who's worked in the NHS longer than that, including for ALBs that covered staff in England and Wales, there's literally never been a Band 10 in the NHS in either country. Even going on salary range, the equivalent would be Band 9/VSM salary. Hope you can wrap your head around that. But then again, comprehension isn't your strong point anyway since you deduced my original post was a personal dig at my colleagues 🙄

I said 9/10 - and I mentioned letters for the higher grades (VSM then!) and the fact when you are contracted from outside none of that applies does it… doesn’t appear on your payslip, because you don’t get one. I didn’t dig at anyone. You on the other hand.

YesYesIDid · 13/04/2026 19:04

Arlanymor · 08/04/2026 19:37

You started off talking about being bored and then ended the thread being judgemental and rude about your colleagues. What is your issue here exactly because you have conflated your boredom with nasty observations about your colleagues. Make your mind up. Do you usually harbour unkind views about those you work with? You seem to think you’re overachieving and perfect. I wonder if they feel the same way about you. And saying ‘it’s not their fault’ sounds unbearably patronising. Who died and made you the top of the tree? And if it helps when I worked for the NHS I was band 9/10 and would never have thought I was better than anyone else. We all contribute - it’s literally how the health service works.

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There isn't and has never been a Band 10 in the NHS. Ever, Not in England, not in Wales, and not even if you are contracted from outside.

And nope, no digs, nothing to see here. I won't be engaging with you further.

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OldHattie · 13/04/2026 19:06

YesYesIDid · 13/04/2026 19:04

There isn't and has never been a Band 10 in the NHS. Ever, Not in England, not in Wales, and not even if you are contracted from outside.

And nope, no digs, nothing to see here. I won't be engaging with you further.

That poster did mention devolution so she may be in NI or Scotland

That's literally all I have to say as I know nothing about working for the NHS really.

YesYesIDid · 13/04/2026 19:10

OldHattie · 13/04/2026 19:06

That poster did mention devolution so she may be in NI or Scotland

That's literally all I have to say as I know nothing about working for the NHS really.

Nowhere in the NHS has ever had a Band 10, I did check before I responded. The poster mentioned they had worked in England and Wales which is why I specifically used those two countries

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Arlanymor · 13/04/2026 19:12

YesYesIDid · 13/04/2026 19:04

There isn't and has never been a Band 10 in the NHS. Ever, Not in England, not in Wales, and not even if you are contracted from outside.

And nope, no digs, nothing to see here. I won't be engaging with you further.

I said I couldn’t remember if it was either 9 or 10 or letters - feel free to read back! Sorry I can’t remember every single detail of my previous employment! Honestly, calm it down for your own sake. Probably was VSM but was back in 2010 so quite a time ago! No idea why you jumped on me but please jump away. I didn’t offend you or anyone else. Sheesh!

YesYesIDid · 13/04/2026 19:16

@Arlanymor How about read your original post back when you called me nasty and patronising, and accused me of thinking I'm 'perfect and overachieving'.

If you had ever been anywhere near VSM level you would know that you were

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SUUUUUUNNNNN · 13/04/2026 19:21

FoxLoxInSox · 08/04/2026 20:10

As a frontline Band 7 clinician working at the coal face for the past 20yrs I can’t find much sympathy for someone without clinical qualifications or experience earning way above me for doing half the work, with no compatible emotional and physical toll, whilst undertaking ostensibly admin duties.

Either stay where you are and feel blessed to be paid so well for so little, OR, find a new job that matches your excellent strengths and skills due to your AuDHD and other superpowers.

100% agree. Top band 7 nurse here for over 30 years and everyday at work I could have a heart attack from stress, it goes with the job. It is very jarring to hear you whinging about this.

YesYesIDid · 13/04/2026 19:27

SUUUUUUNNNNN · 13/04/2026 19:21

100% agree. Top band 7 nurse here for over 30 years and everyday at work I could have a heart attack from stress, it goes with the job. It is very jarring to hear you whinging about this.

The whole point I am making is that if I was being utilised in my role correctly (as I have been in my previous area) it would lessen the burden and stress on those who are on the front line. That's what my role is there for.
There's also nothing stopping you or the previous poster from moving into a non-clinical role which pays more.

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Cerezo · 13/04/2026 19:35

Absolutely boils my piss when people actively want to be busy and we just veg about in the nhs. Not uncommon at all. I was a band 11 😎

TeenLifeMum · 13/04/2026 19:40

Arlanymor · 08/04/2026 19:37

You started off talking about being bored and then ended the thread being judgemental and rude about your colleagues. What is your issue here exactly because you have conflated your boredom with nasty observations about your colleagues. Make your mind up. Do you usually harbour unkind views about those you work with? You seem to think you’re overachieving and perfect. I wonder if they feel the same way about you. And saying ‘it’s not their fault’ sounds unbearably patronising. Who died and made you the top of the tree? And if it helps when I worked for the NHS I was band 9/10 and would never have thought I was better than anyone else. We all contribute - it’s literally how the health service works.

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tell me you’re lying about working in the nhs without saying it 😆😆😆

YesYesIDid · 13/04/2026 19:46

TeenLifeMum · 13/04/2026 19:40

tell me you’re lying about working in the nhs without saying it 😆😆😆

Oh but there's an explanation for that apparently! They can't remember what band they were but turns out it was VSM... or it was in Wales... or something...😂

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TeenLifeMum · 13/04/2026 19:46

I would expect an 8a to be doing strategic thinking and planning rather than operational doing - band 7 is an operational manager level. That does mean in theory you should have more thinking time (although that doesn’t often happen depending on the role). Reviewing training for the team doesn’t sound like a band 8a job. You should be supporting the director and setting the strategic approach, leading the team and directing operational managers. (B8 is senior management as B7 is middle manager between operational and strategic - in a provider trust).

TeenLifeMum · 13/04/2026 19:47

YesYesIDid · 13/04/2026 19:46

Oh but there's an explanation for that apparently! They can't remember what band they were but turns out it was VSM... or it was in Wales... or something...😂

No VSM in the nhs would call it band 10 😆

YesYesIDid · 13/04/2026 19:51

@TeenLifeMum that very much describes the previous role I was doing, which was actually a Band 7! The new role is a very odd one as although it is 8a it's very much operational management support, and I don't have a team to lead. It involves a lot of business analysis type stuff, board reports, etc. rather than anything strategic

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