Any i e work in children's residential and do sleep overs.

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I started work at 12 noon last Friday and was supposed to go to bed at 23:00hrs and start my shift at 07:00 next morning until 15:00hrs.

However, we had an incident with one of the children , who got violent with us , was attacking staff ,smashing windows etc. The incident calmed down at 05:30hrs but then there was a ton of paper work to be done, phone calls to be made etc. Handover staff came in at 08:00hrs. My manager told me to finish at 10:00hrs,so five hours before official shift end but I was in no fit state to carry on.

I never went to bed at all so was working from noon on 12th until 10:00hrs Saturday morning so 22hrs.
I can claim my hours from 23:00hrs until 07:00hrs but I got a text message from manager asking when am I going to make the five hours up.
Is this normal practice?

Previously ive only been woken up and been up for an hour at most or been a bit later to bed , which I have claimed for.

Hi I don't work in this area so just bumping for you really. Was this meant to be a sleep in shift? I thought normally if you are awake for more than a certain amount of time it is paid at day rates?

Yes I was supposed to go to bed at 11pm. But the child had other ideas and was setting gire alarms off and smashing the place up so couldn't go to bed.
Normally we may go to bed slightly later if a child wo t settle and claim it back as toil.
This was on a different scale all together!. By 10am I was u fit to do anything as mental exhausted and physically tired from trying to do restraints and not getting attacked.

Years ago when I worked with adults in a ressi setting and had to get up we were just told to go home. So we claimed hours until 7.00am and at first opportunity told to go home and get some sleep.

Are you paid for contracted hours or are you paid based on timesheeted hours?

And what are you paid for waking hours vs. what are you paid for sleeping hours?

What, if anything, does your contract or handbook say about this situation where sleeping hours become waking hours?

You were supposed to work:
12:00-23:00 - 11 hours awake
23:00-07:00 - 8 hours sleeping
07:00-15:00 - 8 hours awake
(27 hours total)

You worked:
12:00-10:00 - 22 hours awake
(22 hours total)

Im on a 37 hour contract. No timesheets.
Its a flat rate of pay for the sleep over but if we get up we get it as TOIL.
So the reality normally looks like 12 noon until 11pm sleep 7am until 3pm.

If this was a one off i coukd ride it, but we are getting more severely challenging kids in who want to be violent and will cause havoc all night.
My problem was I was dead on my feet by 10 am as its not like ive woken up and gone to work at 12 but,like most i get up around 7 to 8 am, do morning stuff then go to work so its a long time to be unexpectedly awake and be expected to either function until the end of your shift or go home and make lost hours up within the week.

It sounds like they owe you TOIL for the extra time you worked (8 hours) minus the early finish (5 hours) = 3 hours owed to you?

You need to check it out in writing (email not text) to your manager. Is the company big enough to have HR?

It sounds like they owe you TOIL for the extra time you worked (8 hours) minus the early finish (5 hours) = 3 hours owed to you?

You need to check it out in writing (email not text) to your manager. Is the company big enough to have HR?

There should be a distinction between waking night staff and staff who sleep over. You've effectively operated as waking night staff which is a full shift in itself. With sleepover staff the clue is in the title, you get to sleep for most of the night. They'll argue that this was a one off emergency but you should have records showing its becoming more frequent. In the long term they need to employ staff on waking nights contracts.
It also sounds as though you're not getting your full break entitlement so it may be worth joining a union of contacting ACAS.

Read you policy on the hen a sleep in becomes a waking night / paid per hour. Sounds like they owe you not the other way round. With employment law you should have gotten a break in that time so you can’t walk away owing anything. Your manager likely doesn’t know either. Like everyone said, get all clarification in writing and if they make you give back time ring ACAS for advice.

Yes I came on to say that you didn’t do a sleep-in, you did a wake night. Our sleep-in is a fixed rate from 22-07, just £50. But if they don’t get to the sleep room at 22, or if they are up in the night, they immediately move to the wake night pay rate. Depending on how long they were up, how stressed out they were, and how much paperwork needed doing, they’d be sent home as soon as necessary(so long as ratios were preserved), no questions asked.

It sounds as if your place needs a policy overhaul. We used to operate with 1 wake night and 1 sleep but as our people have gotten older with more health challenges we’ve moved to 2 wakes, no sleep. (Adults with learning disabilities)