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Slow and underperforming

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Ilikemywhiskysour · 10/10/2025 07:34

I manage a team member who joined the company around 2.5 years ago. I came in about a year later to help turn the department around; the goal wasn’t to replace anyone but to rebuild a struggling team and improve performance.

This particular employee had been underperforming before I joined, but after some time working closely together, she agreed to go on a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP) and made real progress. Over the past six months, her performance had been improving.

However, there have been ongoing behavioural challenges; for example, inappropriate levels of socialising, excessive phone use (including watching Netflix during work hours), and conversations that are often quite morbid and disruptive. I’ve raised these issues multiple times and tried to reset expectations.

Unfortunately, over the past three months her performance has started to decline again. She has asked me to “micromanage” her and even to draft her reports for her, despite being in a senior role. I’ve explained that this isn’t appropriate for her level, and while I’ve offered the option of moving into a more junior role (which would come with a pay adjustment), she declined.

Last month she only met her targets because I personally coached her over the line which, while part of leadership, felt well beyond what’s reasonable for managing a senior employee.

I’ve considered putting her on another PIP, but given that the last one only produced short-term results, I’m unsure it would help. When I’ve asked her why she’s struggling to complete work, she’s said things like, “I don’t know … I get distracted.” I’ve suggested tools and strategies, and even arranged a course, but none of this seems to have made a lasting difference.

I really don’t like giving up on people, but I’m struggling to see a way forward. Has anyone navigated something similar where an experienced employee has the skills but consistently lacks focus, accountability, or self-management? I’d really appreciate any advice on how to approach this constructively but realistically.

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Redburnett · 11/10/2025 09:01

Just get the evidence of her watching Netflix in work time eg photos or videos of her doing so on different days and then terminate her employment. Other employees who do work hard will thank you.

Ilikemywhiskysour · 22/10/2025 20:14

Bit of an update on this, the external HR Insurance company we use has advised we cannot do anything as she has said she believes her performance is related to her being post menopause. This has really spooked the Partners but leaves me in an awkward position. I’ve already implemented multiple reasonable adjustments to help her with this, as advised by OH, but seeing no improvement. Furthermore, I don’t think being post menopause gives anyone reason to carry out fraud! I had to undertake an investigation as we had a couple of complaints come in and it’s led to me pulling on a thread that unraveled a load of fraudulent activity that certainly would be grounds of dismissal for gross misconduct. But the HR Insurance company has advised us against doing anything but continuing to further support her as they think she could claim it was communication error due to brain fog!

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FetchezLaVache · 23/10/2025 10:05

The trouble with HR insurance is that they will by definition be extremely risk-averse and their priority will be not having to pay any claims, rather than improving the functioning of your business, as per internal HR. As such, they're not neutral and certainly not on your side. Could you get a second opinion from an independent? I mean, getting away with fraud by relying on post-menopausal brain fog just sounds ludicrous to me, and I speak as someone in the thick of peri. Moreover, I understand from ladies on the other side that the brain fog and hot flushes and all the other nonsense stop once you're safely into meno...

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 23/10/2025 10:14

Ilikemywhiskysour · 22/10/2025 20:14

Bit of an update on this, the external HR Insurance company we use has advised we cannot do anything as she has said she believes her performance is related to her being post menopause. This has really spooked the Partners but leaves me in an awkward position. I’ve already implemented multiple reasonable adjustments to help her with this, as advised by OH, but seeing no improvement. Furthermore, I don’t think being post menopause gives anyone reason to carry out fraud! I had to undertake an investigation as we had a couple of complaints come in and it’s led to me pulling on a thread that unraveled a load of fraudulent activity that certainly would be grounds of dismissal for gross misconduct. But the HR Insurance company has advised us against doing anything but continuing to further support her as they think she could claim it was communication error due to brain fog!

This is BS. You need better advisers.
Personally I would look to enter into a protected conversation with her, as this is going to get messy and be a huge time suck. Get legal advice.
If that is not on the table right now at the very least get OH advice.
Where are you based? I may be able to signpost you.

Ilikemywhiskysour · 23/10/2025 13:35

It is madness as this has caused serious financial loss for a client, reputational damage to our company and was a financial gain for her. It’s absolutely fraud. To the point I did query whether we should inform the police.

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