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Dismissed My Job Due To Absence linked to my Disability

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mummytippy · 06/10/2025 10:38

Apologies for my lengthy post. I added a post (in May) regarding wanting advice for my employer to look to make reasonable adjustments for me due to my disability of hearing loss and Tinnitus. I had been employed by my ex employer 22 months. I had gone of work last November due to work related stress but was also waiting on an Audiology referral to come through. My employer was aware of all of my health issues. I had an attendance and wellbeing review (AWR) in May and was told I could discuss appropriate headsets at my next AWR which was scheduled for 18/6. I did contact the RNID and Tinnitus UK so that I could gather as much knowledge as I could prior to this. Before the AWR in June I had also bumped in to a colleague who has a similar hearing issue to me and he had recommended the headset he wears and sent me a link for it which I forwarded to my team leader. Just before the AWR, I then received an invitation for a capability assessment/attendance review to take place on 23/6. I contacted my TL and she said that it might not go ahead. It would depend on the outcome of the AWR with her. I had a fit note with a return to work date of 14/7 with recommendations from my GP. On the 18/6 I attended the AWR and tried to discuss my RTW but it was like the tone had completely changed. I took with me a proposed phased RTW plan to discuss, information from the RNID, Tinnitus UK and also evidence I had been speaking with an Employment Support Advisor via Talking Therapies but it all seemed to fall flat and was met with no interest. I was dumbfounded. I asked my TL to discuss my proposed phased RTW plan emphasising it would need to meet with her approval but she was not interested. She was really quiet. The note taker during the AWR was also a TL I knew (but not well) and he asked me questions which I felt were hostile. The whole experience was awful. I felt completely ganged up on. I did manage to show my white noise sound support and show how it sits behind my ear. The reasonable adjustments I asked for were: to sit somewhere quite on ‘in office days’ and for ad-hoc additional health breaks to adjust/remove my sound support. These were agreed to verbally. Where I raised the question about the link to the headset and the link I’d sent my TL, she said that she had been unable to follow the link and she asked why I had not just bought one. I explained that we were due to discuss headsets at this AWR. there was a cool response, my proposed phased RTW plan was merely photocopied and I was told the Capability/Attendance Review Hearing would still be going ahead. At this point in time I had 2 further medical appointments to still attend. One was my final session of CBT therapy due to happen the day of the hearing (23/6) and the other was with the Audiologist on 20/6 (rescheduled from 30/5 due to the Audiologist being ill). This was a follow up appointment to see how I was getting on with the sound support. Through my employer I had private medical cover. I had spoken with them at the end of May and a report was compiled. The report stated I have a disability and that my employer should allow me to trial a RTW after all my medical appointments were completed.
as I hadn’t like the time of the AWR and the Attendance Hearing was still going to go ahead, I sent a letter to my TL requesting a reasonable adjustment for the 2 requests above. This was never acknowledged. On top of this, when the notes from the AWR meeting were sent to me, they were inaccurate and incomplete. I replied to the email containing the Tale notes with my version of the notes asking for them to be recompiled. This was not done before the hearing. I had joined the Union but too late for them to represent me but they were able to give me basic advice which was if I wasn’t happy with the notes I needed to make this clear but I could attend the hearing to discuss my return to work. Unfortunately I didn’t receive a reply from the Union representative until after the hearing but the morning of the hearing I did send the hearing manager an email to ask her if it could please be rescheduled and why. She declined and because in the invite it had said that a decision on my employment could be made in my absence I felt I had no choice but to attend. My final session of CBT took place and ended an hour before the hearing. I did have a colleague attend and take notes. The hearing was a hideous experience. The hearing manager was very dismissive of my health issues and seemed to have an issue with my proposed phased RTW plan. I emphasised I was not happy with the notes from the AWR and that the RTW was a proposal. From the audiology appointment on the 20/6 the audiologist had put a new program on the device which was a hearing aid function and this was a significant improvement for both my hearing and Tinnitus. I was advised to have a period of ‘habituation’ to get used to this so explained this. In relation to the CBT my practitioner had advised a period of stabilisation following this (as she had also recommended I have some bereavement counselling too). I explained this and I must point out the final reports were not available at this time as still being typed up by the health professionals. I was just completely unheard. The hearing manager had also still been sending additional things into the appendices for this hearing on the 20/6 which was just one working day before the hearing (as a Friday) so I felt everything was rushed. The hearing manager ended the hearing at it was agreed I would speak with my GP to see if I could return to work sooner than 14/7 so I had agreed I would seek their guidance due to the recommendations above from the Audiologist, CBT practitioner and the companies healthcare provider which stated phased RTW at beginning of July after all appointments completed. About and hour after the meeting the hearing manager phoned me and asked if I could RTW on 30/6 and she would put 24/6 through to 27/6 through as annual leave. As I was away from 24/6 because my boyfriend had booked a surprise short break for me as I’d had a rough time and he knew I did not want to take any further time off work after returning, the earliest I could see my GP was on 30/6. I assured her I would seek their guidance on 30/6 and update her as soon as possible. I felt very pressured and told her this. I did this on 1/7 sending a revised fitnote in with a RTW of 7/7 with my GPs recommendations in the comments which included the habituation period and the stabilisation period and details of a phased return to work. I also added that I was open to speaking with my TL to discuss the plan for the following week during the course of that week. She acknowledged receipt, said she was still reviewing my case and that she would be in touch on 3/7 with her decision. I had logged in on my work laptop through the week, reading emails and preparing myself to return. On 3/7 I received her decision which was to dismiss me. She stated I had further delayed my return to work. I was distraught. I feel like I have been punished. I appealed the decision but the outcome remained the same. The hearing manager of the Appeal Hearing was a Customer Service Manager so I feel this wasn’t really appropriate either as no HR / Occupational Health element. I am now going through the Early Conciliation process with ACAS. I would like reinstatement as I do not feel I should have lost my job. My boyfriend (we do not live together) works for the same company (it is where we met) and I just feel completely isolated now as this has made things very awkward. I feel I have lost my career. My colleagues (our colleagues) who became friends now feel awkward. I’m now unemployed, obviously have outgoings and have gone from being in a secure position to the opposite and where I had improved my mental health to return to work, this has deteriorated again due to what has happened. If anyone could please advise me as I am so upset about all of this. TIA.

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Bobiverse · 06/10/2025 13:43

mummytippy · 06/10/2025 13:33

@DiscoBob I was only ever in receipt of SSP.

And claimed UC? Without having any work commitments or being pushed to go to interviews or look for work?

A very handy way to keep an income without having to do anything.

There was absolutely no reason to be off as long as you were. They made the RA for stress. They then agreed to the RA for hearing. You just didn’t go back. And now they’ve sacked you, as they are entitled to do.

CantHoldMeDown · 06/10/2025 13:44

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Lou802 · 06/10/2025 13:45

If you were off with work stress and think there's a load of office politics to explain why your mate got a head set and you didn't - then why are you so desperate to go back? It's not going to be any less stressful or political.

Why didn't you spend your time off work looking for a less stressful job that suited your hearing needs better?

Let's hope your next job doesn't request your number of sick days.

FlyMeSomewhere · 06/10/2025 13:45

mummytippy · 06/10/2025 13:29

@Largestlegocollectionever If you have read my post fully you see that I would like to be reinstated and not sue or go to a tribunal. I have a disability and am trying to find out if anyone has been through similar. I worked for a multi national company who have supported other colleagues on other teams. Different TLs and managers have different rules. Allsorts of office politics have been at play here - why be put forward for GIP insurance which would mean they were happy for me return post November this year. Non of it makes sense.

It's not about the tinnitus though, I have health conditions in my hands and wrists which my workplace are in the process of helping me with adjustments but I've never been absent from work. The issue is the stress and panic attacks and the fact you say you can't work because of it.
I worked with a guy previously who played the stress card for approaching 5 years! He'd come back on a phased return every 6 months when the full sick pay was due to drop, reset the situation and then go off with stress again. He was offered less stressful roles on less money but didn't want that, he felt he deserved promotions!
Every time he came back he'd pick up loads of work and the drop it and I had deal with all the angry clients he kept leaving in the lurch.
They need reassurance that you aren't going to just keep refusing to attend work.

ERthree · 06/10/2025 13:45

mummytippy · 06/10/2025 13:00

@SpigTheFish The health issue of hearing loss and Tinnitus is new (started February 2024) 6 months after my employment began but my anxiety and stress I’ve had since 2020.

Sorry, your stress/anxiety started in 2020 and turned into work related stress weeks after you had to return to your new job after being absent for months ! I am sorry but you are taking the mick. Your co workers will have to be picking up the slack while you find another reason to stay off work. Bloody unfair.

Jellybunny56 · 06/10/2025 13:46

They’re not going to reinstate you OP, why would they? And it’s dramatic of you to claim this has stolen your career, you were employed for 22 months and not even working for 10 of them, this isn’t your lifes work!

Lou802 · 06/10/2025 13:47

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No it was a thread from 2020 but OP posted in 2024.

ruethewhirl · 06/10/2025 13:48

BrambleGrabber · 06/10/2025 12:47

Playing the system. Doesn't want to work. There's far too much of it these days - people who put much more effort into avoiding work than actually doing it.

Also, creating far too much drama and extra work for everyone else, having to accommodate & jump through all the bureaucratic hoops for her shenanigans. No one's got the time for that.

Sorry, can you clarify something for us please? Are you hypothesising on what the employer might be thinking, or is this your own personal opinion?! (in which case I'm speechless)

mummytippy · 06/10/2025 13:48

@Namechange73467892 I’d just like to point out I was not paid whilst I was on sick leave and the company’s healthcare provider said that I had been extremely proactive in getting the help I needed.

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LasVegass · 06/10/2025 13:48

Bumdrops · 06/10/2025 13:30

Sounds like they bent over backwards and OP shafted them and then is pissed off when they called time on this shit show
I really hope OP does not use public money to pursue tribunal ? Surely that is not going to be permitted ??

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/oct/01/labour-considering-charging-workers-for-employment-tribunal-claims-sources-say I had no idea that it costs nothing to bring an employment tribunal claim.

Labour considering charging workers for employment tribunal claims, sources say

Exclusive: Reintroducing tribunal fees would be ‘a gift for bad bosses’, says TUC chief Paul Nowak

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/oct/01/labour-considering-charging-workers-for-employment-tribunal-claims-sources-say

Bumdrops · 06/10/2025 13:50

mummytippy · 06/10/2025 13:48

@Namechange73467892 I’d just like to point out I was not paid whilst I was on sick leave and the company’s healthcare provider said that I had been extremely proactive in getting the help I needed.

Extremely proactive …… at avoiding work 😂

AngelicKaty · 06/10/2025 13:50

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No, it was a 2020 thread, but OP didn't comment until 2024.

BeaLola · 06/10/2025 13:50

I feel for your employer and your fellow coworkers - you are taking the proverbial

CantHoldMeDown · 06/10/2025 13:51

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gamerchick · 06/10/2025 13:51

OP just find a job you can do. Cleaning is solitary and you don't need to have super heating for it either. It's decent money if you can pick up the hours.

Tinnitus doesn't make you stay off work. It just doesn't. It's massively irritating and distracting sometimes but you can still work.

GoldDuster · 06/10/2025 13:54

mummytippy · 06/10/2025 13:29

@Largestlegocollectionever If you have read my post fully you see that I would like to be reinstated and not sue or go to a tribunal. I have a disability and am trying to find out if anyone has been through similar. I worked for a multi national company who have supported other colleagues on other teams. Different TLs and managers have different rules. Allsorts of office politics have been at play here - why be put forward for GIP insurance which would mean they were happy for me return post November this year. Non of it makes sense.

There is no way that you'll be reinstated, any company or organisation would be barking mad to do so. It's just not going to happen. You are not owed anything in this situation and it would be a waste of everyones time including yours to pursue.

One is not owed a job. It's an exchange of work for renumeration. Not a one way entitlement, and the timeline you've described is decidedly one sided. If you were running a business, which I feel you've never done, how would you anticipate it being successful with employees with a near 50% absence rate? It's not feasible.

If I were you I'd save your energy, move forward and learn from the experience.

mummytippy · 06/10/2025 13:55

Certainly not! I had a NPS of 92 and my when I’m on a laptop and not a mobile phone I can present things in a much better way.

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Namechange73467892 · 06/10/2025 13:58

mummytippy · 06/10/2025 13:48

@Namechange73467892 I’d just like to point out I was not paid whilst I was on sick leave and the company’s healthcare provider said that I had been extremely proactive in getting the help I needed.

You mentioned you were paid SSP which is paid for by your employer?

PlacidPenelope · 06/10/2025 13:59

mummytippy · 06/10/2025 13:29

@Largestlegocollectionever If you have read my post fully you see that I would like to be reinstated and not sue or go to a tribunal. I have a disability and am trying to find out if anyone has been through similar. I worked for a multi national company who have supported other colleagues on other teams. Different TLs and managers have different rules. Allsorts of office politics have been at play here - why be put forward for GIP insurance which would mean they were happy for me return post November this year. Non of it makes sense.

Why do you want to be re-instated? You have had an inordinate amount of tme off which if I understand your posts correctly is due to work related stress not hearing issues?

It des not seem that this job is a good fit for you, you have been absent for 10 months in a 22 month period, that is not sustainable for the business.

AngelicKaty · 06/10/2025 14:00

LasVegass · 06/10/2025 13:48

Hmmm, this is news to me. ETs had always been free to the claimants until the Tory Govt introduced fees in 2013 (partly in response to so many fatuous claims being brought). However, in 2017 the Supreme Court ruled these fees were unlawful and they were ceased. I'm surprised a Labour Govt is considering reintroducing them.

AphroditesSeashell · 06/10/2025 14:00

mummytippy · 06/10/2025 13:55

Certainly not! I had a NPS of 92 and my when I’m on a laptop and not a mobile phone I can present things in a much better way.

Your posts are confusing and incoherent.
You provided a date range of your absences which calculate to 19 months of absence. You've since confirmed it's been 10 months of absence. Some people are still looking at other dates you provided and think its 6 months.

You've now said you were not paid whilst on sick leave but at several other points you've said:
mummytippy · Today 12:58
My time off between 25/11/24 to 3/7/25 was paid at SSP rate.

mummytippy · Today 13:33
@DiscoBob I was only ever in receipt of SSP.

It doesn't seem like communication is your strong suit.

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 06/10/2025 14:01

Seriously though, why do you want a job that's 100% phoned based when you have hearing loss and tinnitus? You're fighting for a job that clearly doesn't work for you.

Also, what was the work related stress about given you weren't even there?

LIZS · 06/10/2025 14:01

At what point in your absence was wr stress no longer the issue. I have tinnitus and hearing loss(and ha) but would not have required sick leave to deal with it, just the occasional appointment, let alone 6+ months.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 14:03

AphroditesSeashell · 06/10/2025 14:00

Your posts are confusing and incoherent.
You provided a date range of your absences which calculate to 19 months of absence. You've since confirmed it's been 10 months of absence. Some people are still looking at other dates you provided and think its 6 months.

You've now said you were not paid whilst on sick leave but at several other points you've said:
mummytippy · Today 12:58
My time off between 25/11/24 to 3/7/25 was paid at SSP rate.

mummytippy · Today 13:33
@DiscoBob I was only ever in receipt of SSP.

It doesn't seem like communication is your strong suit.

I think some people assume (wrongly, obviously) that SSP is paid by the government and not by the employer.

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