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Walking back into a ****storm tomorrow

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ThrowMeAwayTheVeryNextDay · 25/08/2025 22:10

I've been away on holiday for a week, back in the office tomorrow. There was a bit of a crisis happening before I went so I wrapped up as much as I could and did a decent handover. It's all blown up, my boss (CEO) has been sending furious emails and I've spent the week keeping a face on for DH and the DC while lying awake for hours at night thinking about it. My team have handled it like troopers but have also been messaging me and have set up a meeting first thing tomorrow before CEO gets in so I'm not blindsided, bless their thoughtfulness.

I'm going in extra early to clear my desk before my team get in, in case I'm getting fired. I don't know how I'm going to hold it together TBH. I've told DH that it's bad, but not how bad. He just said it's a bank holiday, don't worry about it until tomorrow. I'm tired, my holiday was ruined and I just want to go in and get it over with.

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theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 25/08/2025 23:26

Well firstly, you did your best with the knowledge you had at the time. Anyone who appears not to understand that is either very inexperienced or just pretending. Anyone with experience knows that these things happen.

So you do not need to over apologise, you didn't have a crystal ball, and you had to make a call.

Secondly, in these situations I the main thing to think about is what does the other person want? Mostly people want to feel heard - that usually takes a lot of heat out of anger - he probably understands that you made a reasonable call at the time, but the board is yelling at him so he's expressing his own stress.

You can make him feel heard, and empathise with without over apologising or owning fault that does not exist.

Also, make sure you have ideas on the strategy to deal with this problem, if you are asked (don't volunteer them unless you get the vibe you should).

Thirdly, once you've let him have a rant, empathised and offered your opinion on strategy if asked, let silence fall. The chances are you won't be fired or made to walk naked in penance through the office. Shit will get dealt with and life goes on.

Finally, it sounds like you have a great team - despite them supporting you in this crisis, they still want to have confidence in you as there leader, so don't apologise there either, just listen, appreciate and empathise if needs be.

Finally, finally, in the unlikely event your head is needed for political reasons, don't stick your head in the sand about that - see your union/a lawyer faster than you can say settlement, and make sure you get a top notch pay off. No one wants a disgruntled leaver, they'd far rather buy an amicable departure.

ReadingSoManyThreads · 25/08/2025 23:29

You shouldn't be checking work emails during your annual leave, even more so when you were actually away on a holiday. Regardless of crisis, you are legally entitled to undisturbed time off.

Your staff are not "thoughtful" to keep in communication with you regarding this crisis whilst you are on annual leave.

If not being allowed downtime from work is the culture in this company, it may well be a blessing if you end up out of there tomorrow.

Work/life balance is important, and it's not ok for employers to demand your constant unpaid time, which is your downtime, your rest time, your family time.

ridingfreely · 25/08/2025 23:29

I haven’t read all the posts but from what I have ready - blimey this place sounds toxic! You,deserve better op and a summer holiday without all this stress

Gremlins101 · 25/08/2025 23:34

I came back from my holiday to find two extremely mouldy coffee cups on my desk and about 700 post it notes that I forgot my kids had drawn on and stuck to my computer in the 5 mins I had them in the building.

You sound wonderfully capable and successful, I'm in awe that you can manage a job like that with kids while I'm over here trying and failing to remember to wash up coffee mugs.

Wishing you all the best for tomorrow OP. Hold your head high and don't be bullied. I'm very sorry your holiday was spoilt x

sanityisamyth · 25/08/2025 23:36

Rattyandtoad · 25/08/2025 22:27

I think you need to keep phrasing 'with the information I had at the time I made this decision which was the best outcome with the info I had. Unfortunately we now have more info and know that is not the case but this could not have been predicted at the time ' good luck

This.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 25/08/2025 23:40

What is the approach for fixing/mitigating the fallout from this? That's the issue - you made a decision on the basis of the information you had at the time. The information changed after you had handed over to somebody else. So you need to know what exactly has happened, what's contributed to it and with that information, what can be done from now on.

If you got fired, you wouldn't be there to sort it - which would be far worse than a bit of a rant and then get on with the business.

Once it's sorted as best as it can be, then look into measures that could be taken to prevent it happening again if possible.

Lazydaze123 · 25/08/2025 23:41

Please just remember, this is just a job for a wage, it’s not your personal business, you can only do your best with the information available. Maybe ask the CEO what they would have done in your position with the information available, be 100% honest and transparent. And then remember how much more money that are on.

AmoozzBoosh · 25/08/2025 23:42

sanityisamyth · 25/08/2025 23:36

This.

Agreed - but remove the word "unfortunately" , it does you no favours.

olympicsrock · 25/08/2025 23:44

Good luck OP ! Might not be as bad as you think. Sounds like you had a good team who support you which counts for a lot. Some good advice on here. Deep breaths…

My DH has a similar situation tomorrow so I feel your pain !

theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 25/08/2025 23:47

ReadingSoManyThreads · 25/08/2025 23:29

You shouldn't be checking work emails during your annual leave, even more so when you were actually away on a holiday. Regardless of crisis, you are legally entitled to undisturbed time off.

Your staff are not "thoughtful" to keep in communication with you regarding this crisis whilst you are on annual leave.

If not being allowed downtime from work is the culture in this company, it may well be a blessing if you end up out of there tomorrow.

Work/life balance is important, and it's not ok for employers to demand your constant unpaid time, which is your downtime, your rest time, your family time.

I don't know what the OP does but in many companies (eg small companies) total switch off isn't possible for senior staff because there aren't enough decision makers around.

You do have to have boundaries of course, but they are not always as straightforward as you describe. Many professional job descriptions will require you to work a standard of X hours / or what is needed to get the job done, and be available out of hours when necessary. Above a certain grade all this is perfectly standard and legal - the thinking being that senior staff are able to decide when they are and aren't needed out of hours, and to push back and hold their own boundaries as necessary.

Amybelle88 · 25/08/2025 23:50

You did the best with the info you had - you can’t make a decision based on information you don’t have. If it’s that big of a deal, CEO should have been contactable whilst on holiday, as they obviously expected that you should have been.

You can’t be fired for making a decision based upon facts that you had; more may have come to light post decision but you’re not mystic Meg - you can only work with what you have at the time.

Keep it factual and don’t let emotion come into it. You’re entitled to annual leave. It doesn’t sound like any of this was your doing.

Fruityfliesthebuggers · 26/08/2025 00:11

You made an informed decision. All the best doe tomorrow. Hope you get a good night's sleep. We're all rooting for you!
Doesn't sound like the stress is worth it though no matter what the pay. Good luck still.

DancingNotDrowning · 26/08/2025 00:11

Were you placed in an unreasonable position, by being asked to make a judgement call? Was it yours to make or had it been delegated to you in your bosses absence? It’s not really clear from your post.

unless the requirement on you to make the decision was totally unreasonable and you were completely unsupported do NOT counter criticism with any suggestion that the CEO should have made the decision whilst on holiday. It’s reasonable for him to delegate.

Break the issue down: Making a necessary decision without full facts and being wrong is part of leadership. If that’s what the CEO is angry about then talk him through timeline and explain why you reached the decision you did.

What I cannot comprehend is that having nade an error you went off on holiday without your laptop and didn’t make yourself available. That’s crazy!

AmoozzBoosh · 26/08/2025 00:15

Good luck to everyone having to dealing with shit storms tomorrow - keep cool heads and remember it's not the end of the world!

KookySnail · 26/08/2025 00:16

ReadingSoManyThreads · 25/08/2025 23:29

You shouldn't be checking work emails during your annual leave, even more so when you were actually away on a holiday. Regardless of crisis, you are legally entitled to undisturbed time off.

Your staff are not "thoughtful" to keep in communication with you regarding this crisis whilst you are on annual leave.

If not being allowed downtime from work is the culture in this company, it may well be a blessing if you end up out of there tomorrow.

Work/life balance is important, and it's not ok for employers to demand your constant unpaid time, which is your downtime, your rest time, your family time.

This 100%

Chickenbone123 · 26/08/2025 00:21

Well I know a person responsible for the KFC chicken shortage so can’t be as bad as that 😂

RockyRogue1001 · 26/08/2025 00:26

My goodness.

Good luck tomorrow x

Friendlygingercat · 26/08/2025 00:37

Agree 100% with @ReadingSoManyThreads. No one has ever paid me enough to ruin a holiday for a work related matter.* *I leave my phone in a drawer when I go away and take another whose number is only known to a very close relative who knows when NOT to contact me. My grandmother had a saying "what the eye does not see the heart does not grieve over"

FrontEndLoader · 26/08/2025 02:11

It's this kind of stuff that makes me glad I gave up my job in bid management at a FTSE company. By now I'd have been in the sort of position where I'd be calling the shots on £15m bids and taking on all the ownership.

Instead I turn up at 7pm and drive heavy plant for anything from 3.5-5 hours and get paid between £300-£350 per shift with every Friday off as a paid rest day - the builders travel home on a Friday.

It's not a job everybody would enjoy but I love it.

Wrenjay · 26/08/2025 02:11

Why were you picking up emails? CEO certainly wasn't, so why should you? You are not paid to pick up his mistakes on your holiday, not even when in the office. Let him clear up his own s..t he made it.

FrontEndLoader · 26/08/2025 02:13

Sorry, didn't mean to sound insensitive. The downside of my job is that I could squash somebody if I'm not careful!

FrontEndLoader · 26/08/2025 02:16

Friendlygingercat · 26/08/2025 00:37

Agree 100% with @ReadingSoManyThreads. No one has ever paid me enough to ruin a holiday for a work related matter.* *I leave my phone in a drawer when I go away and take another whose number is only known to a very close relative who knows when NOT to contact me. My grandmother had a saying "what the eye does not see the heart does not grieve over"

Hmm, if I knew my financial stability depended on that job then it would come above the holiday if I'm honest. The job market can be tough atm and it's not uheard of for senior execs to end up working in supermarkets while looking for an equivalent job. Don't want to be having to remortgage your house!

99bottlesofkombucha · 26/08/2025 03:23

Friendlygingercat · 26/08/2025 00:37

Agree 100% with @ReadingSoManyThreads. No one has ever paid me enough to ruin a holiday for a work related matter.* *I leave my phone in a drawer when I go away and take another whose number is only known to a very close relative who knows when NOT to contact me. My grandmother had a saying "what the eye does not see the heart does not grieve over"

Then you wouldn’t have lasted long in some of these jobs.

I hope it’s not as bad as you think op, and while I think I’d have dropped off the tours for a day and spent a day on the phone with people, your ceo can’t really have a go if they were on holiday too… so the question is more about should you have known the info that came up later and changed your view of the situation. Good luck.

JustMyView13 · 26/08/2025 04:30

You rarely have all the information available when making decisions in business. It doesn’t mean you made a bad decision, just because the outcome was bad. It means you didn’t have crucial details which would’ve informed you differently. I’d be ready to explain that calmly, and if not - tell him where to stick his job. Does he want a toxic environment where people are paralysed and make no decision. Or does he want a team empowered to make decisions without fear, for the greater good. Where was he when such an important decision was needed, anyway?
He’s projecting.

Beesandhoney123 · 26/08/2025 04:46

Your CEO was uncontaxtable on holiday but you are not?

Your team contact you in a crisis when you are on holiday but not the CEO who is not on holiday.

Sounds like your CEO is a bit out of their depth and everyone knows it. Even you don't seem surprised you'll be be sorting it all out whilst he shouts. He's ahit in a crisis isn't he?

Don't let CEO rant at you. If he says it trusted you etc - point out the facts At the Time.then move on to damage li.itation and say it will be a useful incident to document after the event to learn from.
Holiday policy
Decision making
Work mobile policy - you need one

And book another holiday. Tell everyone you won't have your phone. Lead by example. Unless you are a shareholder and due a big payout, turn the phone off.