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Unbearable colleague

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WimWanders · 15/07/2025 13:40

I've been WFH three days a week till recently, but due to departmental changes and someone off on maternity leave I've been required to go into the office four days a week for at least the next six months. There's a newish office manager, who's often the only other person on site when I'm there. We're in new premises, with individual offices only for the two senior managers who drop in a couple of times a week. I have to work in an open plan area where Madge, the office manager, also works.

I've never encountered a female colleague who has made my flesh crawl before, but she does. I've taken to sitting as far away as possible from her (I've said it's so that we don't keep overhearing each other's phone calls and can focus on our work) but every hour or so she rocks up at my work station and pulls up a chair so close that her knees are touching my leg and touches my shoulder or arm and launches into some wildly inappropriate conversation. 'I'm thinking of standing as a Reform councillor' was today's first foray. 'You wouldn't like that, would you, with your politics...' She doesn't know my politics. I try not to get hooked into conversation and end up every time having to say 'Look, I'm busy, this'll have to wait for some other time' and turning away, which leaves me feeling as if I'm being rude. A couple of times recently I've just held up my hand with my palm flat to her as she's approached and said, 'Unless it's a work-related issue, NO' and she's called me rude. It's not just the constant interruptions, it's her insinuating, sexualised banter. She always speculating on whether colleagues are sleeping together or looking for salacious gossip. I've told her I really don't like sexual innuendo and it's best kept out of the office, so now she comes up and says something vaguely smutty to me and then says, 'Oh, sorry, I forgot you don't like that kind of thing.'

Last week, when there were a couple of other people in the office for a few hours. They laughed when she did her dirty-old-man style jokes, though I'm not sure they enjoyed it. At once point she came and whispered into my ear rather than talking to me normally. Bent down so that she had her cleavage in my face, put a hand firmly on my shoulder and whispered something — not sure what, I was so stunned — within an inch of my ear. Hot breath on my cheek and neck. It was horrible. I was so repelled I was too slow to respond.

I'm not normally like this, I'm quite a tactile person. At work I can do a bit of appropriate shoulder patting with consent or a reassuring hug if requested, but I felt violated by her. Perhaps for clarity I should say I'm a woman.

Yesterday I talked to my manager and listed several inappropriate incidents like those I've mentioned here. He thought it was funny at first, then when I said how harassed and uncomfortable I felt, said he'd pass my email listing her behaviour to our HR person. But he also said that it's important that we all try to overcome our personal prejudices and get along with people, even if we don't like their politics, which left me feeling as if I'm the unreasonable one and have lost perspective. Am I being over-sensitive?

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maddiemookins16mum · 15/07/2025 13:46

Document everything, times, dates, locations, content of conversations. If engaging with her non face to face, via Teams etc, do not stray from work topics at all.

WimWanders · 15/07/2025 13:56

That's what I've been doing. The document I printed up for the manager was effectively an accurate list of all the times she'd approached me about non-work issues and what she'd said to me last week. There were 17 instances from last week alone. Including me walking in with a smile on my face after meeting another colleague in the lobby and her saying 'Mmmmm, he's very good-looking, isn't he, he can put a smile on my face any time he likes.' It doesn't look so awful written down, it's the way she says it and the way she smirks.

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spoonbillstretford · 15/07/2025 13:59

Make a list and take it to HR/her line manager.

spoonbillstretford · 15/07/2025 14:00

Ah, you have! Hope there's a good outcome and YADNBU.

Jacobs4 · 15/07/2025 14:07

I do agree that we all have to cultivate tolerance toward one another. People that have problems receiving social signals, like her, usually have their own issues to deal with, and likely she hasn’t received a diagnosis. We had similar in our office with an intern unable to gage lack of engagement with his daily rants about meat eating and the dairy industry. And he continued despite people drinking coffee with cream and eating ham sandwiches in front of him! Eventually HR took him to one side and tbh after that he didn’t seem able to cultivate equanimity and socialise well. it sounds as though your colleague only functions in the one groove, also.

eish · 15/07/2025 14:19

@WimWanders I think that does sound horrible, smirk or not. It's just inappropriate in the workplace when we are focused on work. I work in a school and was once told by a male colleague that I shouldn't smile with that sexy smile. It left me utterly cold and I reported it. Inappropriate chat and banter should not be brushed off by managers.

Well done for keeping a log. Any discussion about being nice etc. can be countered with 'I am perfectly nice and pleasant but I have stated what makes me uncomfortable and she continues these incidents'. You are very happy to discuss work and small talk that is appropriate.

ScupperedbytheSea · 15/07/2025 14:21

Unwanted touching, sexualised chat and having to listen to dirty jokes you're uncomfortable with is all sexual harassment.

You also sound like you've been clear, and your manager sounds useless.

I'd email HR and your manager saying that you'll be WFH due to unacceptable behaviour from a colleague, and ask for them to email you the company's policy on sexual harassment without delay.

They should be vert concerned, but you might need to follow up with outside support if they don't take you seriously.

WimWanders · 15/07/2025 15:21

I think the fact that I'm being harassed by another woman seems to have thrown my manager. If it was a man doing this I think he'd be on it, because he'd see some of it, at least, as sexual. But Madge and I are both straight women and so I think he thinks there's no real harm. He talked about different interpersonal styles. I got the feeling he thought my style was very buttoned-up. I'd say it's a professional 21st century style. Sorry, this has really got under my skin, as you can see.

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emziecy · 15/07/2025 23:21

If it makes you feel uncomfortable and you've made that clear and she is not stopping then definitely escalate it. I work in a predominantly female environment (in a 'respected' profession), and we have banter about all sorts of things, but it's consensusl banter if that makes sense? What you are describing is not ok and sounds like sexual harassment or intimidation x

shuffleofftobuffalo · 15/07/2025 23:24

Your manager is relying on you to “do the right thing” aka “shut up and stop making a fuss because that’s easier for me”. Don’t. You should not have to put up with that kind of behaviour from anyone.

TicklishMintDuck · 15/07/2025 23:31

This is horrid. I don’t have anything to add to the good advice already given, but just wanted to sympathise. She’d make my skin crawl.

Supersimkin7 · 15/07/2025 23:36

Cringeathon. Once you’ve been sensitised to the space invader, it’s tense.

People don’t get how being grabbed/hugged/leaned all over can be a bit much.

Time to develop a disease that doesn’t appreciate body contact. Shout ‘I’ve got a bug’ each and every time she looms.

LurkyMcLurkinson · 16/07/2025 00:11

Next time he makes a stupid comment about needing to get along with people say “You’re right, she does need some support with that. She needs to respect people’s boundaries around unwanted touch and her use of sexualised language. I’m sure you can find a course on consent for her to attend”.

ReadingSoManyThreads · 16/07/2025 00:18

No, you're not being oversensitive, she sounds an unprofessional attention seeking cringe fest. If your manager isn't taking it seriously or just trying to brush her behaviour under the carpet, just go straight to HR yourself. She sounds awful.

EBearhug · 16/07/2025 01:06

I was talking with a couple of colleagues earlier today, and one of them was pointing at something on the other's screen, getting a bit enthusiastic about it - and the other just said, "please can you step back so you're not invading my personal space," and he did and everything was fine.

While I think you should try this approach with awful colleague, I suspect it will mean that ever after, she'll make pass agg comments about you not liking her too close or being òvet sensitive or something, so it won't be as good an outcome, but it is important to try (and continue documenting it.)

ofcoursethatsnormal · 16/07/2025 05:43

WimWanders · 15/07/2025 15:21

I think the fact that I'm being harassed by another woman seems to have thrown my manager. If it was a man doing this I think he'd be on it, because he'd see some of it, at least, as sexual. But Madge and I are both straight women and so I think he thinks there's no real harm. He talked about different interpersonal styles. I got the feeling he thought my style was very buttoned-up. I'd say it's a professional 21st century style. Sorry, this has really got under my skin, as you can see.

Even if your manager thinks you could relax a little, that doesn’t change the fact that your colleagues behaviour is inappropriate. Prepare yourself as Madge sounds like the type of person who will make it known than it’s you that’s complained about her and that could make for an unpleasant environment, although I appreciate it’s already unpleasant for you. Continue documenting even if incidents become less frequent.

IamNotBeingUnreasonable · 16/07/2025 05:51

She sounds absolutely revolting.
Don't rely on the manager passing your email to HR, he clearly isn't taking this seriously, contact HR yourself.

Loulabelle1234 · 16/07/2025 06:00

I've just done a course on this, if her behaviour is inappropriate and makes you feel uncomfortable (which it clearly does) then HR have a responsibility to deal with it. You're doing everything right by documenting her behaviour. Good luck I hope it gets sorted.

StrongasSixpence · 16/07/2025 10:38

YADNBU

Keep the diary up and follow up with your manager. Ask about the response from HR. Escalate yourself to them directly if it continues and keep your manager informed.

BettyCrockerClinic · 16/07/2025 10:39

This is what would worry me:

But he also said that it's important that we all try to overcome our personal prejudices and get along with people, even if we don't like their politics, which left me feeling as if I'm the unreasonable one and have lost perspective.

He talked about different interpersonal styles.

Your manager is not only trying to minimise this, but also trying to imply that it’s “six of one and half a dozen of the other”. I would send a very factual follow-up email stating that, as per your discussion, you wish to reiterate that you have absolutely no personal prejudices regarding Madge’s politics. On the contrary, you have made a clear and reasonable request not to discuss politics in the workplace at all. Similarly, Madge’s communication style is not the issue here, but rather the inappropriate nature of the comments. You have asked perfectly politely for this to stop and Madge has ignored this. As such, you require confirmation on the next steps.

SandrenaIsMyBloodType · 16/07/2025 10:47

This is not about whether you like Madge or not and neither your manager nor HR should be allowed to reduce this to a personality clash. You are entirely comfortable working with someone that you don’t like. You are perfectly able to navigate your professional interactions with Madge.

You are not comfortable with her unnecessary touching which is indefensible by her or by HR/manager and you do not wish to engage in “banter’ of a sexual nature. It is clear that she does it on purpose to make you uncomfortable because she literally follows up her inappropriate remarks with “sorry, you don’t like that do you?”. This is harassment and cannot be overlooked or brushed off. I’m so sorry you are going through this but you do sound level-headed and reasonable so please don’t let anyone make you feel that you are not.

WimWanders · 16/07/2025 11:02

Thanks to everyone who's responded for your support. I'm at home today — I was supposed to be working from the office but I called my manager this morning and said that as there was nothing I couldn't do from home I wasn't going in today. He seemed fine with it and said he'd had brief conversation with the HR person. His tone seemed more supportive today so I don't know what was said, but I feel a bit more positive.

Thank you to those who've laid out the kind of wording and nature of my grievance, if that is what this is. @SandrenaIsMyBloodType I hope you don't mind but I've adapted as the statement at the top of my list of examples of inappropriate behaviour. You're right: by saying 'Oh, I forgot, you don't like that, do you?' she's clearly doing it on purpose.

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Jacobs4 · 16/07/2025 13:29

It sounds as though they are going to support you working from home more.

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