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18 replies

springshadows · 28/04/2025 21:08

Is it ever ok to ask in an investigation meeting what your personal views are on something political?

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PlanetOtter · 28/04/2025 21:22

I can see scenarios where it would be. If the investigation is about (say) racist bullying and the question is ‘do you think it’s acceptable to tell X that people like her should go back to where they came from’.

More context would help?

springshadows · 28/04/2025 21:41

Yes of course - sorry. Staff alleged that a colleague made comments about Trumps stance on LGBTQ policy- the colleague denies it saying the whole team were discussing Trump. Investigating manager asked 3 or 4 times what their personal view was on Trump ‘stripping away the rights of the lgbtq community’ (really don’t want this to be a trans debate)

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springshadows · 28/04/2025 21:45

To add - the staff member being investigated did say they have no issue with anyone from the lgbtq community and everyone should be treated equally but that they also agreed with Trump on some things.

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Flytrap01 · 28/04/2025 21:47

Key Principles in Conducting Workplace Investigations
An internal investigation must adhere to the following fundamental principles:

  • Relevance: Questions should be directly related to the alleged conduct, not broader personal beliefs unless the beliefs themselves are material to the alleged misconduct.
  • Neutrality: Investigators must avoid leading, emotive, or intrusive lines of questioning that may be perceived as attempting to provoke, judge, or influence the individual’s account.
  • Fairness and Respect: The investigation must not cross into personal territory unnecessarily. Respect for privacy and dignity must be maintained.
  • Focus on Conduct, Not Beliefs: The purpose of an investigation is to ascertain what was said or done — not to evaluate an employee’s broader political or social views unless they are directly pertinent to the workplace behaviour being examined.
Application to This Case
  • Nature of the Complaint: The allegation concerns comments made in the workplace potentially regarding a sensitive political topic. The investigation should therefore focus strictly on whether inappropriate or discriminatory comments were madenot on the employee’s overall political leanings or personal opinions on political matters.
  • Repeated Personal Questions: Asking once for clarification if a belief directly informed a comment might be acceptable if carefully framed and necessary to determine context. However, repeatedly asking about personal views on Trump’s LGBTQ policies, especially if not directly linked to a specific comment made at work, risks becoming unreasonable, irrelevant, and invasive.
  • Employee Response: The employee clarified they believe in treating everyone equally, which would generally indicate compliance with expected standards of dignity and respect at work. Their expression of agreement with some policies of Trump, without specific discriminatory conduct or remarks, should not by itself be grounds for investigative concern.
Risk Factors
  • Bias and Perceived Harassment: Persistent questioning about political beliefs could expose the organisation to claims of harassment, discrimination based on political belief, or constructive dismissal if mishandled.
  • Procedural Impropriety: Overly intrusive questioning could undermine the legitimacy of the investigation, risking findings being challenged later (e.g., at tribunal).
Recommended Best Practices
  1. Refocus Investigation Scope: Limit questioning strictly to the alleged incident(s) — what was said, to whom, in what context — and whether it breached any company policy.
  2. Avoid Political Probing: Do not interrogate employees' personal political stances unless absolutely and demonstrably necessary to establish facts relevant to the case.
  3. Neutral Framing: If any clarification is needed about context or intention, questions should be neutral (e.g., "Can you clarify what you said during that discussion?" rather than "Do you support Trump's policies on LGBTQ issues?").
  4. Investigator Training: Ensure that investigating managers are appropriately trained in conducting unbiased, compliant investigations, particularly on sensitive or potentially inflammatory topics.
  5. Support for Employees: Offer the investigated employee the opportunity to bring a companion (union representative or colleague) to any future meetings to ensure they feel supported.
Conclusion In summary, it is generally not appropriate to ask repeatedly about an employee's personal political views during a disciplinary or investigation meeting unless such beliefs are directly and specifically relevant to the conduct under investigation. Investigations must remain fact-based, fair, respectful, and focused on behaviour rather than personal ideology. It would be advisable to review the handling of this investigation to ensure that it complies fully with organisational policy, employment law, and best practice standards.
springshadows · 28/04/2025 22:09

Oh my goodness that is so helpful thank you! I knew it wasn’t right I understated to you what the investigating manager said I knew previous investigations weren’t right too.
Thank you so much for taking the time to type all that out. Really appreciate it

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Flytrap01 · 28/04/2025 22:25

springshadows · 28/04/2025 22:09

Oh my goodness that is so helpful thank you! I knew it wasn’t right I understated to you what the investigating manager said I knew previous investigations weren’t right too.
Thank you so much for taking the time to type all that out. Really appreciate it

I cannot take full credit as i did have help, but the bottom line is if that helps then it helps, although i would make a copy or screenshot the essential parts needed

springshadows · 28/04/2025 22:31

Thank you. I’m not sure what I can do about it as I am just a lowly person at work

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MrsPinkCock · 28/04/2025 22:44

I think it could be relevant.

It could determine whether harassment occurred (did it have the chance to offend people, are there conflicting beliefs, did it create a hostile/intimidating/offensive atmosphere etc). It could also help them to work out whether there is a pattern or culture, and whether it’s accepted as “banter” to determine if change or training is needed.

springshadows · 28/04/2025 23:02

The little knowledge I have is that the staff member didn’t receive adequate training, has not shown themselves in the best light at times and is a concern in their professional conduct but also is a youngish person who does not have English as their first language and is being tied in knots by the manager questioning them. I have seen this happen multiple times by the same manager to other staff members.

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springshadows · 28/04/2025 23:04

MrsPinkCock · 28/04/2025 22:44

I think it could be relevant.

It could determine whether harassment occurred (did it have the chance to offend people, are there conflicting beliefs, did it create a hostile/intimidating/offensive atmosphere etc). It could also help them to work out whether there is a pattern or culture, and whether it’s accepted as “banter” to determine if change or training is needed.

Any ‘banter’ only seems to be accepted by those whose face fits with the manager. I don’t know whether it is harassment but there was definitely bullying tones to the questions by the manager and it didn’t sit right.

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HeyCooper · 28/04/2025 23:10

Beliefs are a protected characteristic in law.

OldDemdike · 28/04/2025 23:13

HeyCooper · 28/04/2025 23:10

Beliefs are a protected characteristic in law.

This ^^

Gender-critical beliefs are protected under the Equality Act 2010 as a philosophical belief. Doesn't mean its a get out of jail free card but worth knowing. The fact that someone holds those beliefs shouldn't, in itself, be a reason for disciplinary action.

springshadows · 28/04/2025 23:13

HeyCooper · 28/04/2025 23:10

Beliefs are a protected characteristic in law.

Can you expand on that please? Do you mean nobody can be asked their beliefs at work or anyone can express their beliefs? Not quite sure what you mean - sorry.

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springshadows · 28/04/2025 23:15

OldDemdike · 28/04/2025 23:13

This ^^

Gender-critical beliefs are protected under the Equality Act 2010 as a philosophical belief. Doesn't mean its a get out of jail free card but worth knowing. The fact that someone holds those beliefs shouldn't, in itself, be a reason for disciplinary action.

Ah ok. They weren’t the reason the disciplinary action is being taken and they weren’t mentioned in the invitation to the disciplinary. The manager kind of added them on when (in my opinion) he didn’t get the response he wanted

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Gelflink · 28/04/2025 23:22

Flytrap01 · 28/04/2025 21:47

Key Principles in Conducting Workplace Investigations
An internal investigation must adhere to the following fundamental principles:

  • Relevance: Questions should be directly related to the alleged conduct, not broader personal beliefs unless the beliefs themselves are material to the alleged misconduct.
  • Neutrality: Investigators must avoid leading, emotive, or intrusive lines of questioning that may be perceived as attempting to provoke, judge, or influence the individual’s account.
  • Fairness and Respect: The investigation must not cross into personal territory unnecessarily. Respect for privacy and dignity must be maintained.
  • Focus on Conduct, Not Beliefs: The purpose of an investigation is to ascertain what was said or done — not to evaluate an employee’s broader political or social views unless they are directly pertinent to the workplace behaviour being examined.
Application to This Case
  • Nature of the Complaint: The allegation concerns comments made in the workplace potentially regarding a sensitive political topic. The investigation should therefore focus strictly on whether inappropriate or discriminatory comments were madenot on the employee’s overall political leanings or personal opinions on political matters.
  • Repeated Personal Questions: Asking once for clarification if a belief directly informed a comment might be acceptable if carefully framed and necessary to determine context. However, repeatedly asking about personal views on Trump’s LGBTQ policies, especially if not directly linked to a specific comment made at work, risks becoming unreasonable, irrelevant, and invasive.
  • Employee Response: The employee clarified they believe in treating everyone equally, which would generally indicate compliance with expected standards of dignity and respect at work. Their expression of agreement with some policies of Trump, without specific discriminatory conduct or remarks, should not by itself be grounds for investigative concern.
Risk Factors
  • Bias and Perceived Harassment: Persistent questioning about political beliefs could expose the organisation to claims of harassment, discrimination based on political belief, or constructive dismissal if mishandled.
  • Procedural Impropriety: Overly intrusive questioning could undermine the legitimacy of the investigation, risking findings being challenged later (e.g., at tribunal).
Recommended Best Practices
  1. Refocus Investigation Scope: Limit questioning strictly to the alleged incident(s) — what was said, to whom, in what context — and whether it breached any company policy.
  2. Avoid Political Probing: Do not interrogate employees' personal political stances unless absolutely and demonstrably necessary to establish facts relevant to the case.
  3. Neutral Framing: If any clarification is needed about context or intention, questions should be neutral (e.g., "Can you clarify what you said during that discussion?" rather than "Do you support Trump's policies on LGBTQ issues?").
  4. Investigator Training: Ensure that investigating managers are appropriately trained in conducting unbiased, compliant investigations, particularly on sensitive or potentially inflammatory topics.
  5. Support for Employees: Offer the investigated employee the opportunity to bring a companion (union representative or colleague) to any future meetings to ensure they feel supported.
Conclusion In summary, it is generally not appropriate to ask repeatedly about an employee's personal political views during a disciplinary or investigation meeting unless such beliefs are directly and specifically relevant to the conduct under investigation. Investigations must remain fact-based, fair, respectful, and focused on behaviour rather than personal ideology. It would be advisable to review the handling of this investigation to ensure that it complies fully with organisational policy, employment law, and best practice standards.

Lovely use of chat gpt there.

Gelflink · 28/04/2025 23:24

springshadows · 28/04/2025 23:02

The little knowledge I have is that the staff member didn’t receive adequate training, has not shown themselves in the best light at times and is a concern in their professional conduct but also is a youngish person who does not have English as their first language and is being tied in knots by the manager questioning them. I have seen this happen multiple times by the same manager to other staff members.

In short, no the manager cannot ask for their personal beliefs. If they've done it before, it won't be long until they're called to give their version of events in an employment tribunal.

Flytrap01 · 28/04/2025 23:28

Gelflink · 28/04/2025 23:22

Lovely use of chat gpt there.

step of your high horse, i already said to the op i had help and ive been most helpful to the op in the ops own words

so why the issue when ive helped ?

some people love to pull others down rather than help
in short if you can help better than i did then help

springshadows · 28/04/2025 23:35

I appreciate everyone responding - it didn’t feel right to me but I wasn’t sure if I was right in feeling uncomfortable with the questioning or not. A manager in my office uses chatGPT for all her reports and nobody seems to have a problem with it.
I am merely the minute typer so I have no skin in the game regarding any staff member under investigation but there have been various things I have heard (via recordings that I use to type up the minutes) that have made me feel increasingly uncomfortable.

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