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Seeing red about how my colleague is working the system

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ProntoMum · 11/05/2008 13:14

Need to vent. I work with three other women with same grade and job description as me. We all share the same manager.

Colleague 1 has been on sick leave due to a bad back for the last six months - no prospect of her returning in near future, if ever.

Colleague 2 works 3 days a week. Works from home one day a week, sometimes more. Has two young children - one at school. Cites expense of childcare costs as reason to work from home one day a week.

Colleague 3 (childless and in her twenties) works 5 days, but has just asked boss to work 3 of those days from home each week. Cites stress as the reason. She has hardly worked a full week in the past year, due to docs appointments and time off sick, so has a history of stress she can use to back up this request.

That leaves me. I work 5 days a week. I have three children (ages 15, 12 and 7). I don't work from home except on odd occasions for a few hours (once a month or so). I have taken 4 days off sick in the last year.

So, if my manager agrees to colleage 3 working from home, I will be the only other person in the office full time apart from my boss.

Out of all my colleagues, I have the heaviest workload of all my colleagues. My manager is not good at delegatin work to my colleagues when they work from home (or checking it). But as we work in the same small office, he can keep a very close eye on me and always ensure I have plenty of work to do! I never have a moment when the pace is slack.

I like my job, it is interesting, challenging and convenient. The organisation prides itself in flexible, life/work balance working patterns. So I suspect my boss will say 'yes' to colleague 3's request to work 3 days a week from home.

But every time I think of my colleagues, especially when I am alone in the office on a hot, sunny day ...... sorry but a red mist descends!!!! I cannot help it, even if I know for some of them, the reasons are genuine.

My manager knows I feel put upon. I have already talked to him and explained that although I like what I do, I feel very undervalued.

As I have recently taken on extra duties, I am seeking to get my post regraded. I would be happy with more money and with my present level of flexibility - I am not seeking to work a lot of hours from home.

I suspect my manager will pay lip service to this and will give me no real support. He has said my job description is a standard one for all four of us and therefore so is our grading (and salary). As my other colleagues are not applying for a regrading, I suspect I will get nowhere.

I have involved our union, but I feel so pessimistic. I know my colleagues are not even bothering to try and get a regrade as they think our manager is spineless and will not help fight for one. At least one of them has resorted to playing the system. I sincerely do not want to do this, but feel so unsupported and increasingly depressed by what is happening.

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nkf · 11/05/2008 13:19

I don't really know what to say. But if you could keep it on the topic of work done and salary paid, I think it might be better. The other women's arrangements aren't officially your business. What did the union say? Try to see it in professional terms rather than your colleagues taking the piss.

DirtySexyMummy · 11/05/2008 13:19

Why can't you ask to also do say, one day a week from home?

Lauriefairycake · 11/05/2008 13:19

Feel free to vent and I'm sorry you're having a hard time.

But you love your job and are stimulated so focus on that and getting enjoyment. If you can't bear them getting away with more and salary is more important to you then move on for one that is better rewarded.

Comparing your work ethic/how you live/what you have to others is ultimately pointless - you should be proud of yourself, you've found a way to live and work without cheating of or taking advantage of anyone.

ProntoMum · 11/05/2008 13:24

I'd love to just focus on my work, and forget my colleagues but I'm human and I just can't!

Also it impacts on my life - and my children!

My manager tends to give me work with imminent deadlines that requires me to be in the office, so that he can give longer term work with less urgent deadlines to my colleagues who are more stressed/work from home etc.

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nkf · 11/05/2008 13:26

But it's that that you need to deal with. How your work load is handled and what demands are made of you and whether they are reasonable or commensurate with the grade. I know it's hard but it would be better to ignore what's happening elsewhere. I don't really understand how they are cheating the system actually. They've asked for flexi-time and got it. Your manager is not handling his employees well.

ProntoMum · 11/05/2008 13:29

I don't understand how someone who is too 'ill' to work in the office environment can magically be well enough to work frome home - and claim full pay for doing so.

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PuppyMonkey · 11/05/2008 13:30

Are you the sort who can say "No." I mean, if you were busy, would you be one of those people who says "Can't do that, I'm busy all day - give it to one of my colleagues." Or do you just say, "Yes, ok then." Maybe you need to be more assertive...? I dunno.

Working from home is shit anyway imo. When I did it, it made me really depressed.

nkf · 11/05/2008 13:30

It's not your problem to sort out though Pronto. It's the job of the manager.

Lauriefairycake · 11/05/2008 13:30

How is it impacting on your children?? have you even asked for flexi or to work from home?

This wouldn't be 'cheating the system', if you want to work from home then ask.

I thought from your op that you wanted to work in the office all the time.

ProntoMum · 11/05/2008 13:31

My boss will deny he is giving me 'different' work or that my workload is bigger.

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welshdeb · 11/05/2008 13:31

It seems to me that youir manager is very weak.
Have your heard the saying "you always flog a wiling work horse" well thats you.

He semms to have made some poor decsions so far.

As a manager I would expect a member of staff asking to work from home to have suitable childcare arranged your colleague is being paid to work not look after her children. I suspect colleague no 2 is doing very little work if she has a toddler at home all day.

Re colleague no 1 it isnt reasonable for her to be off sick for so long if she has no real prospect of coming back to work. This should be sorted out. Again poor managment.

Re colleague 3 it might not be unreasonable for her to work form home if being at work is a cause of her stress. However if work is the cause of her stress then it won't matter where she is.

Why cant you apply to work from home (I know you have said you don't want to) as it seems to me that your manager will continue to let you take up the slack as long as you are willing to do so. The precendent has been set with your other coleagues.

This might force him to reappraise the situation and value you more and suport your regrading.

Alternatively perhaps you should just look for another job.

ProntoMum · 11/05/2008 13:36

Mainly I want a bit more money and recognition for doing what I do. I am resentful that work is being piled on me - I feel I am covering for other people.

I don't need to ask for flexibility because I have it - I can already work from home on an ad hoc basis if I request it, but this is only practical if there are other people in the office. So the more my colleagues work from home, the harder it is for me to request this. The more it stands out as well.

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PuppyMonkey · 11/05/2008 13:39

You got a higher manager you can take it up with?

ProntoMum · 11/05/2008 13:48

I have already asked my manager what would happen if I requested to work from home regularly. He said that he looks at each person's circumstance individually but would try to manage it somehow if there was a genuine reason.

I don't have a genuine reason. He cited the childcare 'crisis' for the reason that colleague 2 works from home and obviously colleague 3 will have a history of 'stress' and colleague 1 has a bad back. As I have easy childcare arrangements, live locally and am rarely ill, he knows I have no extenuating reasons to work from home.

On a purely personal level, I would love to be here sometimes when my children come in from school p- not to stop work but just to be around for them. I would also like to limit the constant supervision of my working hours by my boss 5 days a week. It is galling to be the only one in our team having to ask permmission to go to lunch, knowing that my colleagues at home take lunch when it pleases them etc etc.

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PuppyMonkey · 11/05/2008 13:53

Yes and if you are there when the kids come home, you will then end up stopping work and making their tea and then have to catch up at night when you could be watching Corrie or something. Believe me, working from home is pants. I still think you need to talk to a manager higher up if your line manager is so rubbish. What did union do?

ProntoMum · 11/05/2008 13:59

I know what you are saying, puppymonkey and do see exactly what could happen if I was at home after school.

I used to work from home in another post I had years ago and know how easy it is to skive rather than work. I know lots of people work hard from home, but the temptation is always there. And as my manager is not one to check up on what we do at home or contact us at home he is making it too easy for everyone. This is making me so angry! I know he won't keep close checks on what my colleagues do when they work from home!!!

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unknownrebelbang · 11/05/2008 14:15

Whilst I'm sure all your colleagues have/believe they have very valid reasons for their flexible working arrangements, when you're the one picking up the slack, it's very frustrating - but that's down to the manager, not your colleague.

I second speaking to a higher manager, because I don't think your manager is handling the situation appropriately.

ProntoMum · 11/05/2008 14:58

My manager's manager (executive head of large team and the person I would have to report to if I took it higher) sits near us so can see for himself who is in, who is out, what work is being done etc etc.

He is very friendly and supportive to my manager and I don't think would take well to me criticising him.

This is why I have to go down a more postitive route than talking to one manager about another behind their back. But I am seething, honestly you wouldn't believe how much it is winding me up !!!

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WideWebWitch · 11/05/2008 18:09

Blimey, they are taking the piss (partic wrt childcare! If you are WORKING you NEED childcare! You shouldn't be working from home to save on childcare imo)

I think you need to put in a request too. your boss can't deny it, given the precedents. Sorry, but I wouldn't bother trying to change anything else, I would just ensure I got just treatment. How unfair it seems though, it would drive me mad.

WideWebWitch · 11/05/2008 18:10

If someone is STRESSED and off work with it they are off with stress. They are either fit to work or they are not. They are not fit to work but only at home. so that's bollocks. The bad back, ditto.

unknownrebelbang · 11/05/2008 18:15

www puts it sooo well.

ProntoMum · 11/05/2008 20:00

wickedwaterwitch, I so agree. How can someone who is says they are too stressed work in the office environment be deemed fit to work at home? OK, if they break their leg or have some sort of other temporary health crisis, working from home is an understandable compromise, but as a new, permanent and regular arrangement it stinks!

I will be putting in a request for a day or so working from home in mid June, but as I am also trying to sort out a re-grading for myself, I feel I need to show I am keen to be at work. I know what you mean about asking to work from home as a matter of principle, but I feel this concession will be used as a way of blocking any re-evaluation of my grade.

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alfiesbabe · 11/05/2008 20:45

I agree with WWW. If you are not well enough to work, then you're not well. It sounds to me like there's something dodgy going on here, if things are really as you say they are. The childcare situation too - how can someone do a job properly if they are trying to look after their children at home?? It doesnt make sense. Often companies check out that an employee is proper childcare organised when they work from home. If someone in my team had a genuine one off problem with childcare, then I would expect them to maybe have a day off work, and once someone who had been a very good employee had a childcare issue - she stopped using one CM and switched to nursery but had a week inbetween and it was agreed that she could take unpaid leave for that week. But a permanent situation like this is ridiculous. Is the boss extremely weak/incompetent? It sounds like he's blurring a lot of issues.

WideWebWitch · 11/05/2008 21:06

Can you get promoted to your boss's job? He sounds incompetent, quite frankly. What would he say if you brought it up? Could you formally bring it up, i.e via a documented meeting? What about using grievance policies? His poor management is having a negative effect on you and your workload.

The work of four people is only getting done because you are doing most of it. It's unfair.

Colleague 1 has been on sick leave due to a bad back for the last six months - no prospect of her returning in near future, if ever. Right, so presumably it's unpaid by now and HR are involved? If she is on Long Term Sick why aren't they backfilling her at least temporarily? They have the budget as they're not paying her salary.

Colleague 2 works 3 days a week. Works from home one day a week, sometimes more. Has two young children - one at school. Cites expense of childcare costs as reason to work from home one day a week.

As before, this is bollocks. If you WORK you need CHILDCARE.

Colleague 3 (childless and in her twenties) works 5 days, but has just asked boss to work 3 of those days from home each week. Cites stress as the reason. She has hardly worked a full week in the past year, due to docs appointments and time off sick, so has a history of stress she can use to back up this request.
As before, she's either fit to work and bloody well works or she isn't and doesn't, supported by a drs note and onto half and then no pay according to whatever policies are in place.

Good luck, it sounds shite, understand why you don't want to sink to their level. In your position I'd get what I want first wrt home working adn then address the workload issue. Your boss does sound weak and spineless.

Heated · 11/05/2008 21:17

At this rate, your blood pressure from being so will be so high, you'll have to start working from home to alleviate the stress of it all.

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