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Two jobs at once?

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Jigglypuff82 · 29/12/2024 17:25

If i were to call in long term sick at job A and start another job B to pass the 3 month probabtion period, would Job A find out? Then I could just quit easily?

I understand that Job B would call Job A for a reference before offering me the position.

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starpatch · 30/12/2024 09:42

It's fraud to be off sick from one employer and meanwhile work for another employer.

Temporaryname158 · 30/12/2024 09:48

I’ll summaries this neatly for you. You must be a bit thick/not very bright.

you are proposing to commit fraud.

you were unaware of basic 2 year employment rules

you will be scuppering your role in finance plus many others if sacked for this

CantHoldMeDown · 30/12/2024 09:49

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Jigglypuff82 · 30/12/2024 10:55

sunbum · 30/12/2024 09:16

People are doing this in iT but they're self employed contractors, so it doenst really matter as you justbissue invoices for work done. I know someone that has one conract 9-5 and another that states hours overnight as its covering a different timezone. He still keeps it quiet though, even though hes not really doing anything wrong. Some contracts, both temp an dpermament, state you have to let them know if you are doing anpther made employment (mine does). It won't work of you are PAYE though as new company will become aware of what you're doing when doing your payroll via HMRC. They will also ask for your p45 which you won't have.

My friend runs an IT company and hired someone this summer. HR (third party HR provider as small company) alerted him in October that the guy had worked for 2 companies for three months i.e he worked for company B for entirely of his 3 month notice period from company A. They found out end of month 4 so a month after he'd stopped being paid by both companies. My friend immediately sacked him for dishonesty. The thrid party HR company wrote to his old company A, and they said they were going to take him to court to recover the 3 month of salary (don't know ifbthis actually happened).

If this is all a way to get round a 3m notice period, which are annoying, i know, you'd be better off resigning from company A and stating that you would only work a months notice, even though you are contractually obliged to work 3 months. They will threaten legal action (and your last month will be tense) but they may not bother for 2 months, lots of companies don't. I know a few people who have done this, or made their notice 6 weeks by tacking on leave etc.

wow - thats so good to know, maybe I should rethink my plan. yes notice period is the issue.

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Jigglypuff82 · 30/12/2024 10:56

Temporaryname158 · 30/12/2024 09:48

I’ll summaries this neatly for you. You must be a bit thick/not very bright.

you are proposing to commit fraud.

you were unaware of basic 2 year employment rules

you will be scuppering your role in finance plus many others if sacked for this

How rude

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Jigglypuff82 · 30/12/2024 11:04

sunbum · 30/12/2024 09:39

Its to get round a 3 month notice period, which make it really difficult to find a new job as recruitment people want to find someone that can start next month and generally wont wait 3 months for someone, unless its a new CEO or someone super valuable. I refuse to take jobs with 3m notices now and always negotiate them down to standard 4 weeks notice as they really are a pain. For mere mortals, it effectively means you have to resign without a job to go to and take a leap of faith. This is how its is in IT anyway.

As i said, i do know people who have resigned and refused to honour the 3 months and stated last day would be in 6 weeks in resignation letter, banking on the company not wantine to spend on the legal cost of forcing another 6 weeks of work. And most companies won't want a pissed off, disgruntled person working for them for an additional forced 2 months when they could be very damaging. They'd likely put you on gardening leave though which doesnt get round the iasue as you'd still be paid. You have to state that you are breaking the terms of your contract (and risk legal action) and that your last day of work will be earlier.

Thank you , thats a big help.

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DarkForces · 30/12/2024 11:15

If you'd framed this as asking about notice periods rather than fraudulently claiming sick leave to have a trial run at a new job you would have got answers to that question, but that wasn't what you asked.

EmmaMaria · 30/12/2024 11:29

LIZS · 29/12/2024 21:44

SSP is state funded, so you are defrauding DWP. Why not just resign from A then start at B on expiry of notice. Like most people would.

No it isn't - it hasn't been for many years, and even then it was only for smaller employers. It is entirely employer funded.

EmmaMaria · 30/12/2024 11:30

Jigglypuff82 · 30/12/2024 10:56

How rude

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No - just accurate. You are saying that you are a thief and are ok with being a thief.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 30/12/2024 11:36

Jigglypuff82 · 29/12/2024 18:00

I thought about this, but its only going to flag to HR right?....not actual management.

Our HR department would inform a manager if they suspected something odd was going on, especially if someone was in their probation period.

Arlanymor · 30/12/2024 11:45

You need to tell us why you are doing this if you want advice.

Is there a difficulty with notice periods? In which case we can advise how to negotiate down. Or the option to phase from one role to another.

If it’s to have two salaries then that’s just greed and nothing further to advise.

Either way don’t pretend to be sick, that’s dishonest and you would need to inveigle other people into the deceit (your GP for one), which isn’t fair.

I don’t understand why you’ve not just gone from one role to the other in line with your contracted arrangements, much better than acting fraudulently.

2chocolateoranges · 30/12/2024 11:51

Just do what normal people do and that’s hand your notice into Job A and then start working in job B, work hard and you’ll pass your probation.

sunbum · 30/12/2024 11:53

Arlanymor · 30/12/2024 11:45

You need to tell us why you are doing this if you want advice.

Is there a difficulty with notice periods? In which case we can advise how to negotiate down. Or the option to phase from one role to another.

If it’s to have two salaries then that’s just greed and nothing further to advise.

Either way don’t pretend to be sick, that’s dishonest and you would need to inveigle other people into the deceit (your GP for one), which isn’t fair.

I don’t understand why you’ve not just gone from one role to the other in line with your contracted arrangements, much better than acting fraudulently.

The OP has now said why they are considering this. They're on a 3 month notice period at company A.

sunbum · 30/12/2024 12:04

Not many company Bs will wait 3 months to fill the role and most people, esp when, in the current climate, they will have lots of candidates only on 1 month notice. And most people, understandably, want to wait until they have a job to go to before resigning from company A.

However, as others have said, the actual play here is not to pretend you ar3 sick, which is dishonest,fraudulent, and very likely wont work, but to negotiate down the standard notice period once you have a new job and you resign. And/or negotiate the start date to be a few weeks later once you've got an offer. thibgs I've seen work: resign and offer to sacrifice accrued paid holiday to reduce notice period. Agree to perform a full documented handover if they let you go in 6 weeks. Just state my last day will be in 4/5/6 weeks contraryto my contracr and what are you going to do about it? (risky and not great for references potentially). Be a bit tardy on the background checks for the new company to delay start date by 2 or 3 weeks, blame the credential-checking company they use. Most companies won't care about a couple of weeks delay once they've been through all the effort of issuing an offer, negotiating a contract, paying for recruitment etc.

Or suck it up, resign, hope you find a new job within 3 months. Make job hunting a full time job during your notice period.

Arlanymor · 30/12/2024 12:33

sunbum · 30/12/2024 11:53

The OP has now said why they are considering this. They're on a 3 month notice period at company A.

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Thanks, I have the plague so brain is tired.

Jammylou · 30/12/2024 19:20

How dishonest. I'm glad you aren't employed where I work.

IkeaJesusChrist · 30/12/2024 19:27

This isn't the cheat code you think it is.

Once found out your financial career would be ruined.

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