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MyPurpleHeart · 04/12/2024 11:28

Looking for some advice please

My employer has recently been taken over by new owners and as such things are changing.

I am number 3 in my company, behind my MD and the senior manager.

Numbers 1 & 2 have been asked to give a copy of their CVs for a competency assessment for use in commercial bids. I was not asked. For context, if I was i would be asking questions about pay and job roles because I'm not even close enough to senior manager level.

My MD last week said he would put me on the assessment under a job role that i don't have, and wanted my CV. I refused. Thats not my job and i wont submit a CV for it.

Today he announces he has written me a CV and will be submitting it and wont let me see it.

Also, when I joined the company he didn't work here, and i was hired by head office so hes never actually seen my real CV.

Is this legal?!

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PrimalLass · 04/12/2024 13:17

It's fairly normal. We've all had to do it for the bids team at my employer.

Purplecatshopaholic · 04/12/2024 13:19

I take it there’s a back story otherwise this makes no sense. Just give him your CV, it’s a perfectly normal ask. Presumably he could get it from HQ but wants a more updated one in terms of your current role - makes perfect sense. That’s he’s now created one because you won’t is a bit crazy, if he’s your line manager it’s a reasonable management request that you should comply with, he shouldn’t do it for you. No idea why he would create one then not let you see it, that’s even more batshit…

Redcrayons · 04/12/2024 13:23

@BadSkiingMum probably not too dissimilar.
We would reference specific qualifications that relate to the tender, experience within similar organisations, length of time on relevant projects. I would try to make sure that we were submitting staff who had the right skills and experience to cover the tender requirements.

The format I used only allowed for one side of A4, so I would drop the personal statement and hobbies and interests sections. We would tend to use senior people with long work history, so would do some pruning of early careers role if they weren’t really relevant.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 04/12/2024 13:27

BadSkiingMum · 04/12/2024 13:12

Interested to ask @Redcrayons and others, what should be the difference between a CV for tendering purposes and a CV for recruitment purposes please?

A CV for tendering purposes is usually just a paragraph or bullet points - short and very factual. All it contains is the skills relevant to the piece of work being pitched for.

A CV for recruitment usually has roles, dates, and goes back a long time with far more details.

InfoSecInTheCity · 04/12/2024 13:28

BadSkiingMum · 04/12/2024 13:12

Interested to ask @Redcrayons and others, what should be the difference between a CV for tendering purposes and a CV for recruitment purposes please?

Some contracts require that you have "key personnel" allocated to support specific parts of the contract, they give those parts job titles so they may say that for implementation of the contract they want a named Project Manager. Your company may not have a Project Manager role, they may have account managers who do the project manager role, so what they do is create a CV for Jane Doe the Account Manager, show casing the skills and experience she has to be the designated "Project Manager" assigned.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 04/12/2024 13:29

DreadPirateRobots · 04/12/2024 13:02

Company stretches or puts a slant on the truth to win business shocker. It can't be that far from her actual role or they wouldn't have asked her to summarise her actual skills and experience to use. I very much doubt they're claiming she's e.g. a skilled m&a lawyer when she's actually a marketing manager or something.

Agreed.

If it was totally fictitious, they wouldn't have asked for her CV in the first place. The OP obviously has relevant skills/experience that they want to include in the pitch - which is why they asked for it.

ClaredeBear · 04/12/2024 13:34

A job you don't have because they haven't won the contract yet? I've had to do this for funding applications in the third sector, it's normal and usually pays off to be helpful.

ClaredeBear · 04/12/2024 13:34

BadSkiingMum · 04/12/2024 13:12

Interested to ask @Redcrayons and others, what should be the difference between a CV for tendering purposes and a CV for recruitment purposes please?

I guess whatever you're using it for it needs to be tailored to fit the role.

BadSkiingMum · 04/12/2024 13:38

Thanks, I was just wondering if there was anything specific in the way that information is presented, using a headline summary or not using a headline summary etc

Zebedee999 · 04/12/2024 13:57

OP is doing her best to ensure she is first out the door when redundancies come along. Boss makes reasonable request to help win new business, OP refuses, boss does it him/herself.
There is only one way this is going to end up, companies need team players.

MarmaladeSideDown · 04/12/2024 14:37

Inventing a CV for you and changing your job spec, then providing that information to outside agencies is tantamount to fraud.

AlisonDonut · 04/12/2024 14:39

allthatfalafel · 04/12/2024 12:35

Sounds suspect if he won't let you see it. Because what is he hiding?

Hiding the fact that he wants to win business that the OP knows about?

Not the best criminal to be fair.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 04/12/2024 14:50

MarmaladeSideDown · 04/12/2024 14:37

Inventing a CV for you and changing your job spec, then providing that information to outside agencies is tantamount to fraud.

That is a real distortion of what appears to have happened here.

The OP's skills and experience are clearly relevant to the project, because otherwise he wouldn't have asked for her CV. For the purposes of the project tender, she is named as performing a specific role [e.g. project manager], despite the fact that her normal job title might be something slightly different [e.g. account manager].

The CEO asked for her CV so he can put a brief summary into the tender document - highlighting the skills and experience she brings. The OP refused, so he's created one based on what they have on file and what they know about her work.

Spirallingdownwards · 04/12/2024 14:56

Think of it not as a CV but a profile of the people in the team for the tender. As you refused to do one your MD has done one outlining your skills and how you would be utilised on the job.

Why are you being so obstructive? If the company has been recently taken over you may find you are putting yourself in danger of being no longer required if you continue to refuse to do basic tasks such as these.

MarmaladeSideDown · 04/12/2024 20:50

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 04/12/2024 14:50

That is a real distortion of what appears to have happened here.

The OP's skills and experience are clearly relevant to the project, because otherwise he wouldn't have asked for her CV. For the purposes of the project tender, she is named as performing a specific role [e.g. project manager], despite the fact that her normal job title might be something slightly different [e.g. account manager].

The CEO asked for her CV so he can put a brief summary into the tender document - highlighting the skills and experience she brings. The OP refused, so he's created one based on what they have on file and what they know about her work.

So why have they refused to show it to her then, if it is totally above board?

AlisonDonut · 04/12/2024 20:52

MarmaladeSideDown · 04/12/2024 20:50

So why have they refused to show it to her then, if it is totally above board?

Because they are pissed off that she couldn't just do the fucking CV in order to secure the work that pays her wages?

MyPurpleHeart · 05/12/2024 08:19

INeedAnotherName · 04/12/2024 12:45

My MD last week said he would put me on the assessment under a job role that i don't have,

Did you miss that part? Even if the whole CV thing is legitimate surely making out she does a certain job when she doesn't would be fraudulent?

And why is he refusing to let her see it? Again, that implies it has false information on it and would be fraudulent for tender bids.

Thankyou, at least one person read the post.

Hes putting me under a job title that isn't my job title. With responsibilities I don't have. So I refused, when i refused he made up a CV for me and wont let me see it.

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MyPurpleHeart · 05/12/2024 08:20

DreadPirateRobots · 04/12/2024 13:02

Company stretches or puts a slant on the truth to win business shocker. It can't be that far from her actual role or they wouldn't have asked her to summarise her actual skills and experience to use. I very much doubt they're claiming she's e.g. a skilled m&a lawyer when she's actually a marketing manager or something.

Oh its a big stretch. They are saying I'm in charge of a whole site when I'm not. Basically they don't have anyone doing that job so they said, oh lets put Mypurpleheart in there.

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MyPurpleHeart · 05/12/2024 08:21

MarmaladeSideDown · 04/12/2024 14:37

Inventing a CV for you and changing your job spec, then providing that information to outside agencies is tantamount to fraud.

Exactly

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MyPurpleHeart · 05/12/2024 08:26

If they had asked me for my CV relating to my actual job, I would have done it willingly.

So as not to give too much away, lets say I'm a department manager at a big store, they are putting me as being the store manager. I refused because I'm not the store manager, and in context of the document they are collating, no one wants the department managers CV.

They wont hire a store manager, and need to include one on the document. So i have been shoehorned into it. It makes me responsible (on paper) for a lot more people and a lot of health and safety policies that I'm not comfortable with.

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Slooodie359 · 05/12/2024 10:06

So incredibly sad.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 05/12/2024 10:14

Crikey. If I were you, I'd start putting stuff in writing and collecting evidence that they're lying about what you do with the intention to deceive.

Maybe call ACAS.

INeedAnotherName · 05/12/2024 18:14

I agree with above pp, speak to ACAS.

If the rest of these posters think you are wrong and the boss is fully entitled to make shit up for tendering purposes then no wonder this country is so royally fucked.

InfoSecInTheCity · 05/12/2024 18:54

MyPurpleHeart · 05/12/2024 08:26

If they had asked me for my CV relating to my actual job, I would have done it willingly.

So as not to give too much away, lets say I'm a department manager at a big store, they are putting me as being the store manager. I refused because I'm not the store manager, and in context of the document they are collating, no one wants the department managers CV.

They wont hire a store manager, and need to include one on the document. So i have been shoehorned into it. It makes me responsible (on paper) for a lot more people and a lot of health and safety policies that I'm not comfortable with.

The question for your MD is 'if you are successful in winning this bid, is the intention to use the newly generated income to cover the additional cost of making me a store manager?'

A bid is all about stating how you would deliver the contract if you were successful, no company is likely to be in a position to just immediately be able to absorb new work without some costs and changes, honestly if they are then they deserve to be having financial difficulties because they clearly have too much capacity and people sat around doing nothing.

So a bid is more of a blue print of what they would like to do, how much they will charge the client, how long it will take to implement, how they will meet the requirements set and who will do it.

MyPurpleHeart · 06/12/2024 09:13

We discussed this when i was asked for the CV. I asked if i would be made a store manager and they said no, I asked if i would have any salary increase for additional workload and they said no (the second time this year)

I was also told that as there is no store manager the work that is assigned to a store manager will come to me, as it still needs doing.

However i will remain a department manager on a department managers salary.

So then i am put on the competency assessment as a store manager and a CV written for me to back it up, that I haven't been allowed to see.

But apparently im 'doing her best to ensure she is first out the door when redundancies come along' @Zebedee999 thanks for the bitchy comment!

If a lot of the initial replies are anything to go by i can see how people are bullied into things at work and are too afraid to speak up

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