Would this be bereavement leave.

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My grandad passed away unexpectedly last week. I we were close and I cared for him for last few years. I didn't have any time off work. Funeral is next week and I informed my manager of date and they have put it down as annual leave? I thought it was me compassionate/bereavement. NHS with over 20 years service. I work part time.

I believe you! @MyOpalViewer is being incredibly odd!

new to mumsnet?

posters make up stuff all the time 🤷

😂 Really one of the oddest interactions I've had on here, and that says something!

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the wording that you “posted” is
not how any company would actually word a policy.

you could just screen shot taking out anything identifying (you won’t)

Here it is in full. This is our Time Off policy. Large private sector company with offices all over the UK.

And no I didn't write 14 pages of fake policy at 8am so I could post it on Mumsnet

Thing is with special kinds of leave in my experience : carers, bereavement etc in the NHS it’s often listed as managers distraction in the policy. So on one ward the manager is more considerate and gives it while on another they are awkward and refuse so you have to take leave etc.

Ive saved some leave as we’ve been told my FIL ( not actually married though) is terminally ill. New ish job in the NHS but my manager said i can rearrange my days off etc if needed.
I know someone who had to swap her shift for her grandads funeral as they wouldn’t even give leave.

You've no idea how smug my face is right now.

scary!

Hate to break it to you but my previous NHS employer had the exact same wording in their policy and they employ several thousand people. (I still have the policy in my emails for an entirely different reason)

Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean someone made it up.

Also FYI Special leave is a term within NHS

Your HR knowledge clearly does not extend to NHS

oh just seen

my apologies

you are right to be smug!!

Depends on your contract. I've had only parents, siblings or children- and a maximum of 3 days (which is totally inadequate if you're arranging the funeral and executing the will.)

But I've also had discretionary leave for a funeral for someonenot covered by the official policy- my manager could see I was upset when I took the call informing me of the death. Others I've taken annual leave. (I always go to a funeral if I can.)

NHS here. My GM passed away under particularly awful and tragic circumstances. I was granted 2 weeks discretionary bereavement leave without me asking. I had amazing managers though. I was then given 2 days compassionate leave for the funeral which due to circumstances couldn't be held for almost 2 months.

I just wanted to say that, regardless of what any policy says, if your workplace does not give you the 1 day off for your grandfather’s funeral (especially when you’ve been his carer), I think this is atrocious.

Workplaces expect employees at a certain grade to be flexible in terms of working overtime to meet deadlines. But there needs to be a flipside.

If your manager does not use their discretion to give you the leave, I’d be leaving myself. Because I wouldn’t be prepared to work flexibly for an organisation who had treated me so callously.

So sorry for your loss, OP

I'm NHS.
I had compassionate leave for my MILs funeral and colleagues have had for grandparents. Have you asked colleagues what they've been granted for family funerals?

The manager is supposed to consider the closeness of the relationship when granting it. Did she ask you for further information? I'd go back and say you were very close to your grandparent, you helped care for him and you were expecting this to be compassionate/special leave not annual leave.

I'm sorry for your loss

That's shocking. Send her an email and ask her to reconsider it as special/bereavement leave (whatever they term it as) under the circumstances, considering he was a relative that you were close to and a carer for as you didnt actually take any leave when he passed away. That way it's all documented as evidence if she doesn't grant it and goes against their policy.

There is such a thing as special leave in the NHS but it generally applies to scenarios other than this.

OP, I'm sorry for your loss. Check your trust policy, I suspect any paid time for funerals won't be in there, but a decent manager would show some flexibility and give you the day off paid. I would have done.

@MyOpalViewer there is special leave in the NHS.

I wouldn't like @MyOpalViewer to be my line manager

Thank you for all replies.

As far as I can tell it's up to managers discretion as not immediate family (parent). I mean even my DH who works for private firm has been given compassionate leave. I remember when my nan passed years ago, my previous line manager was completely different and allowed 5 days bereavement and a day for funeral. I'll be looking for another job next year.

After years on MN i shouldn't find it surprising that people can't believe that a situation exists if they personally haven't experienced it... but here we are.

Solipsism can be a powerful force!

In the NHS it depends on the manager,
My previous manager would only count parents as close, not in laws etc she was an arsehole.
Current manager I had a days compassionate leave the day after my grandad died and a day for the funeral!

A lot of places pay for compassionate leave

You're making yourself look stupid. This is copied directly from one trust's policy. You can look for it yourself online...

Employees can receive a total of one working day’s paid leave to attend the funeral of a direct family member (direct family members being: spouses or partners, parents, children or siblings: this definition includes step, half family members, grandparents and close friends also).

No the policy with list which relatives you are entitled to funeral leave for and I would imagine grandparent is one of them. There should be no discretion - it should be clear with the NHS.