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NHS practice nurse told they will not be getting the 6%

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wildfellhall · 11/11/2024 14:58

A close friend is a Practice nurse in a small GP surgery and has been told explicitly that she will not be getting the 6% pay rise.
She is consulting with her union as far as I know.
But she believes the practice can access the funds for this and choose not to give the rise. That seems amazingly unethical if true?

I am not medical I'm just shocked if this is the norm or even common.

Surely the money should be ringfenced for staff - or not given at all? I'm sure I am being naive.

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titchy · 11/11/2024 14:59

Presumably it's because she isn't employed by the NHS but by the practice which is a private entity.

Wells37 · 11/11/2024 15:01

Practice nurse are employed by the gp surgery not directly by the nhs.
So it's up to the practice to decide.

UpUpUpU · 11/11/2024 15:01

I imagine the surgery is private and not NHS

wildfellhall · 11/11/2024 15:02

But it's still public money intended to give nurses a fairer wage?

The ethics of that seem unarguable to me.

If that is what the funds are for then they should not take the money unless it is going to staff. IMHO.

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wildfellhall · 11/11/2024 15:02

It's definitely not a private surgery.

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WeakAsIAm · 11/11/2024 15:06

Unfortunately they're all private. GPs are not funded by the NHS anymore.

GPs chose to become private many years ago and are given a budget directly.
All employees are therefore not part of the NHS.
I don't disagree with your point, but not sure there is much that can be donee

295bkq · 11/11/2024 15:07

The surgery may be facing serious financial issues. A woman on here who is a GP partner posted a screen shot of their business account being 10-11k overdrawn every month.

GP surgeries must pay the recent employer NI increase. Like many companies, employees won’t get the pay rise they would have got because of this. DH employer was about to give out agreed pay rises and backtracked because of employer NI.

kikiandgigi · 11/11/2024 15:07

Most GP surgeries are private and just offer their services to the NHS under a contract.

Sadcafe · 11/11/2024 15:07

GP surgeries are part of the NHS structure but work outside of it as far as employment conditions go, they are effectively private employers, though they are not private GPs , if that makes sense, hence the pay awards via agenda for change do nor automatically apply

wildfellhall · 11/11/2024 15:09

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/practice-personal-finance/almost-half-of-gp-practices-unable-to-give-6-pay-rise-to-nurses/

This explains some of the barriers to pay rises.

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MalcolmTuckersSwearBox · 11/11/2024 15:10

This is part of the problem with practice nursing, it doesn't use the NHS Agenda For Change banding system and contracts vary. Nurses are employed by the GP practice which are independent businesses which have NHS contracts. So whilst hours can be better than hospital nursing, pay and conditions often aren't

Paganpentacle · 11/11/2024 15:12

wildfellhall · 11/11/2024 15:02

It's definitely not a private surgery.

ALL GP practices are private entities that provide work FOR the NHS.
Staff are not employed by the NHS but do have some perks eg pension.

When you hear/read about pay rises for NHS staff.... it never applies to primary care- staff are employed directly by the GP's and its up to them if they pass that one.

Paganpentacle · 11/11/2024 15:13

WeakAsIAm · 11/11/2024 15:06

Unfortunately they're all private. GPs are not funded by the NHS anymore.

GPs chose to become private many years ago and are given a budget directly.
All employees are therefore not part of the NHS.
I don't disagree with your point, but not sure there is much that can be donee

GPs have NEVER been part of the NHS... funding is paid per capita ( how many patients on your list) and for meeting certain health related targets.

They didnt choose to become private- they always have been.

StevieNic · 11/11/2024 15:13

She will be employed by the practice rather than NHS perhaps.

My pay rise (education) is only 2.5%. There’s plenty of people who aren’t getting 6….

cupcakek · 06/02/2025 22:09

I’m in the same position as your friend- all practices we’re given the 6% uplift for GPN’s but less than 20% passed the full amount on. Where I work we got 2.5% - we questioned it & we’re told the practice needed the money or their profits would be effected 😡 I am looking for another job.

StormingNorman · 06/02/2025 22:21

I’d assume some of the money intended for payrises is going towards the NI increase.

Musicaltheatremum · 07/02/2025 13:18

The practice would have been given an uplift to their income but it doesn't give 6% for the nurse per se it is just a general uplift and if the practice has had unexpected expenses eg gas electric increased, cleaning costs increased, or in a case I have seen £25k to resurface a carpark or £21k to put in new boilers then quite simply there will not be money left to give the rise. It is not ringing fenced money despite what is said in the press. They are also having to cover the extra employers national insurance which will have eaten up most of the pay rise given to the practice. I'm glad I'm retired...it really is dire out there. It's nothing to do with giving the GPs profits as the profit is falling significantly.

Shinyandnew1 · 07/02/2025 13:45

wildfellhall · 11/11/2024 15:02

It's definitely not a private surgery.

How do you know?

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