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How on earth do people work into their 60's and beyond.

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BG2015 · 18/09/2024 19:28

DP and I were talking earlier (he's now asleep at 7.15pm) and saying how do people work into their 60's and 70's.

My DP is 59, he works in demolition which can be quite an active job. He's out of the house at 6am as they travel all over the country and he often isn't back until 6pm.

I'm a teacher recently dropped to 4 days after ongoing health issues after having breast cancer in 2021. Im 55, 56 in February.

We're both knackered. Neither of us sleep very well at all. We eat healthily and used to go to the gym 2/3 times a week but now only manage walking as our form of exercise.

I'm desperate to change jobs, planing to retire at 58 and get a part time job in an office. I think once I retire DP will reduce his hours and slowly retire.

But how do people have the energy to keep working. A teaching assistant at my school has just retired at 71 and I really don't know how she's kept going.

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DoubtjngThomas · 20/09/2024 07:02

GoodVibesHere · 18/09/2024 19:34

I'm not sure what you mean when you say that you're planning to retire at 58 and get a part time job in an office. That's not retirement. I'm almost 50 and work part time in an office, and find it exhausting. I find the volume of work and the pace of it hard, and then there's the ever-changing software, systems and methods of communication. I don't know how I'll cope with it as I get even older.

Me too. I am 53'and gave up my supermarket job for an admin job with the council 4 months ago.
Far from providing the security I was hoping for I am finding it exhausting. The pace, the volume, the multitude of different systems and expectations from all the teams I support.
Am very close to resigning from the pressure and going back to retail. Have recently divorced which makes it all the more stressful

Avocadono · 20/09/2024 07:19

WhitegreeNcandle · 20/09/2024 06:28

I’m in farming and I think a lot of it is to do with having a purpose or passion and feeling needed. Lots of relatives work right up till their death or very very old age of their 90’s. My 85 year old father in law is still invaluable. A lot of farm workers would retire but then “still do a harvest” or a bit of relief work

But we’re on a different planet to the rest of society. Just reading the teaching thread and it’s normal for farm workers to work 50-60 hour weeks with nowhere near the holidays or pay teachers get. Lots of farmers have teaching partners who help out on the farm in the holidays too. Not great standards of work and I wish it was better but there’s not the money in it.

Quite honestly I do think farmers are on a different planet work wise! There are probably very few professions that work as long and as unsociable hours.

Nightjar33 · 20/09/2024 08:34

I was lucky to retire from nurse management post at 61 to allow me to spend pre school time with my grandchildren. I knew I would miss out if I left it any longer before they went to school.
With retirement sum my DH and I worked 7 days a week with our jobs before retirement and renovated 4 properties to rent out to allow us to retire earlier. It was exhausting but worth it to give us an income .
We both felt we couldn’t and didn’t want to continue in the working environment at our age. Many are being forced to work on as they can’t afford not to. State pension at 66/67 is ridiculous however I worry about my children in 30’s who may not even get a state pension, another reason why properties with be left to them.

thenovice · 20/09/2024 09:18

We work because we have to, to put food on the table and try to pay for heating. I am exhausted and feel ill most of the time now, but have no option. Not complaining. It's just how it is.

Avocadono · 20/09/2024 09:38

I don't really understand the argument that people are still working (in the same career) because they have to. Surely if you can't physically do a job you will either be forced out on capability grounds or will end up resigning on health grounds regardless of? You virtually never see TAs in infants classrooms past age 60 because of all the kneeling down etc. Scaffolders are very often in their 20s and 30s because it involves such heavy lifting all day every day. With the best will in the world and whatever financial pressures you have, you can't continue in a job you can no longer physically manage.

IDontHateRainbows · 20/09/2024 09:42

Avocadono · 20/09/2024 09:38

I don't really understand the argument that people are still working (in the same career) because they have to. Surely if you can't physically do a job you will either be forced out on capability grounds or will end up resigning on health grounds regardless of? You virtually never see TAs in infants classrooms past age 60 because of all the kneeling down etc. Scaffolders are very often in their 20s and 30s because it involves such heavy lifting all day every day. With the best will in the world and whatever financial pressures you have, you can't continue in a job you can no longer physically manage.

It's not a binary can/ can't thing, barring a significant accident or illness. Many people work when they feel knackered and it's making them ill physically or mentally but they stumble on. People can do all sorts of things rathef than face homelessness/ insurmountable debt.@

ronstern · 20/09/2024 12:46

I can't see what the fuss is about. I'm going to be 71 this year and am still in full-time, 5-days-a-week work in a school, non-teaching. I enjoy being busy and quite frankly, can use the income as my pension won't cut it. My kids tell me to retire; that there are lots of things I can do like volunteering at charities; but I say 'why'? If I am to be kept busy, then I may as well receive money for it! The job keeps me active and my mind alert.

NewGreenDuck · 20/09/2024 12:55

@ronstern thsts fine, but lots of other people have circumstances where they are knackered /burnt out / exhausted because they are caring for elderly parents, or partner etc. Both my adult kids have disabilities. If I was still working I would not have a minute to myself, and then there would be no caring taking place.
I no longer have the stress of trying to do a job where I couldn't do what the customers wanted most of the time. My job became a question of managing expectations. And that really is stressful.

GreenTeaLikesMe · 20/09/2024 12:56

Windchimesandsong · 19/09/2024 13:09

Not anymore. And not everyone is ever able to buy so they're renting.

There's already something like nearly 1 million pensioner private renters. And although their situation is not as dire as private renters, there's also social renters, who obviously still have to pay rent in retirement.

It's a ticking time bomb too because there's even more renters in the next generations coming up to retirement (people in their 50s and 60s).

There's also quite a lot of people over 50, and even over 60, still paying off mortgages.

And no it's not a life choice. People experience unplanned life events that limit earning ability (illness, caring responsibilities, relationship breakdowns, bereavement). Also there's loads of lower paid jobs and someone has to do them.

Studies have found that single female pensioners are especially badly off. Some will be widowed but those who were single before retirement will likely have been struggling during their working life too, because being single is expensive especially housing costs.

Even if someone has mortgage paid off, being older has other costs. Statistically more likely to have health issues (that starts from over 50, so before state pension age), which incurr extra expenses, eg. older people are at more risk from the cold so have higher heating bills.

Edited

I think that as a lot of the boomers start to die (sorry, bit grim, but that's reality) we will start to see a lot of people buying up properties in their 50s and 60s - I know a few people who have basically done this and bought a flat or house with money inherited from parents. So I do think a lot of older renting people will end up with somewhere to live.

I guess the problem is that because they are doing this so late in life, they will not have had much chance to build up other assets (pensions) throughout their working lives, as so much of their money has been thrown away on rent for decades.

RatherBeRiding · 20/09/2024 13:03

I'm late 60s, work in a busy, stressful admin job. Dropped a day already and planning to drop another day but no plans to stop working. I am, for my age, incredibly fit and healthy - as user name suggests I have horses and I NEVER stop - i get incredibly bored and restless if I am not constantly on the go, at work, in the garden, involved with riding club, actually riding, working...... I do pilates, walk miles, am not overweight, a smoker or drinker and eat healthily.

But working on this late in life does depend hugely on your job, your mindset and your physical health. I know women half my age with half my energy and physical strength. I am one of the lucky ones to be able to choose to work on because my health and energy levels are good. Not everyone is so lucky.

RatherBeRiding · 20/09/2024 13:07

I also work in the agricultural sector - where normal 'retirement' rarely applies - we have so many customers still working and farming well into their 70s and 80s. Even if they hand the business over to the next generation they are generally still out there driving tractors and helping out with the harvest and the lambing!

suburburban · 20/09/2024 13:15

Yes I'm exhausted as 57. Hoping to retire at 60.

I don't sleep well either and job has become so busy.

Almostwelsh · 20/09/2024 13:23

RatherBeRiding · 20/09/2024 13:07

I also work in the agricultural sector - where normal 'retirement' rarely applies - we have so many customers still working and farming well into their 70s and 80s. Even if they hand the business over to the next generation they are generally still out there driving tractors and helping out with the harvest and the lambing!

That's a bit different though, as its not so much a job as a way of life. Farming is ingrained in a person from the time they are a child, so they aren't going to suddenly stop at a certain age - its part of their life. There may also be some scope for adapting tasks to accommodate an aging body, such as giving the heavier work to sons or other younger family members and continuing with some of the lighter tasks.

Hedjwitch · 20/09/2024 13:27

I'm 60 and would retire now if I could afford to. But I cant afford to. So on we go

Thriftnugget · 20/09/2024 14:44

DickEmery · 18/09/2024 20:48

@HeySummerWhereAreYou lots of employers didn't offer pension plans until they had to, when the stakeholder scheme was introduced. The stakeholder scheme itself is also fairly shit unless both you and your employer pay substantially extra into it.

Of those employers that did offer pension plans, many were restricted to people earning over a certain amount, nearly all excluded part time workers, people with less than two years service or anyone on fixed term contracts.

A fair few also went bust with no recompense especially during the merge/acquisition heyday around the millennium.

So for the first swathe of people whose state pension age is seven years older than when they entered the workforce, those people had many barriers to building a private pension to compensate for it.

Glad you're ok though.

@DickEmery , private pension plans have been around for a long time, outside of any schemes offered by employers. I tend to agree with @HeySummerWhereAreYou . I entered the workforce in 1990 and at that stage it was received wisdom that it was wise to not depend on company schemes or the state pension - I started one as soon as I could and I don't consider myself to have been particularly money-savvy throughout my life. Wish I'd paid more into it though.

NewGreenDuck · 20/09/2024 15:04

When I was a kid, in the 60s there were ads from the Prudential, encouraging people to invest in a pension with them. A series of drawings of a man looking older and getting more depressed as he had no pension and wondered how he would manage in retirement. So for over 60 years the ordinary person, albeit a man in the ad, has been encouraged to start a private pension.

Windchimesandsong · 20/09/2024 15:05

GreenTeaLikesMe · 20/09/2024 12:56

I think that as a lot of the boomers start to die (sorry, bit grim, but that's reality) we will start to see a lot of people buying up properties in their 50s and 60s - I know a few people who have basically done this and bought a flat or house with money inherited from parents. So I do think a lot of older renting people will end up with somewhere to live.

I guess the problem is that because they are doing this so late in life, they will not have had much chance to build up other assets (pensions) throughout their working lives, as so much of their money has been thrown away on rent for decades.

There's several million "boomers" renting (and reports have found that older renters are one of the poorest groups of renters - I don't have the figures to hand but will try to find the time to post them later). Plus many who own will lose everything in care home fees.

So no inheritance for their renting dependants.

The UK needs more social housing asap - including homes suitable for older people.

User6874356 · 20/09/2024 16:04

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 18/09/2024 20:34

StripeyDeckchair · Today 20:10
This is why you need to have a private pension
a) you can start to draw it earlier
b) who could live on just the state pension?

I agree with this. But when I mentioned this on a thread a few days ago, some posters claimed they had never heard of private pensions - and didn't know there was such a thing, (even though they were in their 40s and 50s.) Some posters (again middle aged and older,) claimed they had ONLY just heard of them this past 3-5 years.

I found this impossible to believe as they were widely advertised from the 1980s onwards. They may as well have claimed they didn't know banks give out loans, and lend you money to buy a house (a mortgage!)

Someone accused me of living in a middle class bubble, and told me to 'check my privilege!' which made me LOL because I'm as working class as they come. I never went to Uni, I lived in a council house with my parents until I was 20 (when I moved into my own rented flat,) and I worked in factories for the first 5-6 years of my working life. Then I retrained for admin and office work, and moved into a secretarial role.

I opened a private pension around 1998, and I can draw from it at 60 - next year. DH has one too that he has paid into from the year 2001. He will start drawing off his at around 63. (When we both plan to retire... We are only a few months apart in age.)

I am not 'middle class' or 'privileged,' I am just someone who is fairly intelligent, has always been switched on and had my eyes wide open throughout life, and who is careful with money. And I have always worked fucking hard for everything and been given no handouts from anyone (ditto my DH.) So the 'middle class and privileged' label was fucking farcical. Just because I know what a private pension is. Fuxake! 😆

I find it ludicrous that anyone claims they have never heard of private pensions, especially when that person then goes on to say they are in their 40s or 50s. WTAF? have they been living in a cave since 1979?! 😆

Lol. I was a child in the 80s and remember all the personal pension ads on tv. Some people only remember what they want to.

User6874356 · 20/09/2024 16:17

Scenicgirl · 19/09/2024 07:58

You have stated you are "switched on" and have made provision for your retirement, that's obviously great but if someone says that they had never heard of private pensions, believe them and don't keep ridiculing them for admitting it.
It's making fun of them and not very nice so bask in the glory of your knowledge and leave it there.

i don’t believe very many normal adults have “never heard of private pensions”. As pp says it’s like never having heard of mortgages or saving accounts. It’s usually just an excuse for not having made pension provision

Cojones · 20/09/2024 16:20

Would love to have enough money to be able to retire now and travel, take up some different hobbies.

I do love my job which is just as well as I don’t think my pension provision is where it should be, I can’t afford to be unemployed, they don’t take buttons in the shops.

CommonAsMucklowe · 20/09/2024 16:26

My partner and I will have to work until ill health prevents us due to financial circumstances. My partner's ex wife however, who took him for every penny bought a three bed house in Norfolk and retired at 63.

Windmillsofyourminds · 20/09/2024 16:55

I retired at 62 when I got my State Pension. The last few years i was utterly exhausted. Work was stressful and very busy, despite being office based. I also had family responsibilities. My main health issues cleared up once I was no longer stressed and exhausted. Now I am over 70 I could still work part time but am much slower and do not have the stamina I had. One full busy day means I am exhausted the next.

Ginlovingmumof4 · 20/09/2024 20:30

I left teaching two years ago at the age of 57 because even though I was ‘only’ teaching 3 days a week, I was knackered and never seemed to be able to switch off. I still worked 5 days a week for 3 days pay. I now work 3 days a week (8am to 4pm) in the NHS. It’s an admin type role but I’m still on my feet most of the day. To be honest, after teaching it feels like a holiday and I could definitely do it into my 60s.

BG2015 · 20/09/2024 21:03

Ginlovingmumof4 · 20/09/2024 20:30

I left teaching two years ago at the age of 57 because even though I was ‘only’ teaching 3 days a week, I was knackered and never seemed to be able to switch off. I still worked 5 days a week for 3 days pay. I now work 3 days a week (8am to 4pm) in the NHS. It’s an admin type role but I’m still on my feet most of the day. To be honest, after teaching it feels like a holiday and I could definitely do it into my 60s.

I'm seriously considering an NHS admin role. I look every week at their vacancies and know I could easily do any of them.

Did you just apply direct? Or do Bank work first?

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Ifoughthefight · 20/09/2024 21:38

FluffyBenji23 · 19/09/2024 20:21

I'm 63 and work full time. I'm absolutely knackered with an arthritic knee and no energy for anything else. I don't have the energy but I'll have to work until 67 as I have no choice. I'm divorced and was a single parent for many years and so need every penny I can get to have a decent retirement income.

that's my girl. The real one. Hope you get all you need and on time, as ever.