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In trouble with my boss... weird situation, any advice appreciated.

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Ginismedicinal · 13/09/2024 14:14

I'm a hairdresser with 30 years experience, I'm employed in a salon and FULLY booked up til the end of November, not even room for a cut and blow dry... but, my boss sat me down yesterday to say I'm not earning her enough money, she's having to 'carry me'!
I've been here 2 years and, strangely, they charge about £40 for a full head highlights, toners and cut and blow dry!! I've NEVER worked anywhere that charges less than £90+ for a service like this.
Obviously they can't be charging enough to cover wages/overheads etc, and suddenly, out of nowhere I've been taken asside for this chat that there's not enough money coming in.
I'm the only stylist here, I open up, I close etc, just me. How am I to earn them more money if I'm fully booked up months in advance? I don't even have ANY breaks etc.
Is there something I'm missing? I'm so confused by this sudden 'problem' where the solution is in the owners control, not mine... charge more for the services! 🤦🏻‍♀️

OP posts:
OnePearlOtter · 15/09/2024 18:22

As a salon owner of 26 years,if you are fully booked you should be taking your money. If they are only charging around £40 for full head highlights and toner and finish they aren't charging enough. Is the owner a hairdresser.Do they work behind the chair.That service is normally around £100 as an adverage allowing for regional differences. They are extremely stupid, it's massively hard to get senior stylists at the moment and if you left,with social media, you could take a large chunk of their sales. If you were near me I would give you a job.

invisiblecat · 15/09/2024 18:23

Once you've left, don't contact the clients directly - let them find you (but make yourself easily findable obviously). Otherwise she could cause all sorts of hassle if she thinks you are poaching her customers.

Arran2024 · 15/09/2024 18:31

My friend's daughter worked in a hairdresser's exactly like this. I organised a CV for her and we applied for jobs - she got immediate interviews at some of the big chain salons and got offered a job at the first trial session. You don't need to put up with this.

OnePearlOtter · 15/09/2024 18:36

Can I also add those suggesting the rent a chair model if you are considering this there are changes coming with labours workers rights stuff that will impact a lot of rent a chair salons. Look for another salon that will appreciate you or go mobile. Make sure that you are definitely self employed or employed.

Judgedontbudge · 15/09/2024 18:54

Sounds to me like they haven’t been managing their business very well, and now they’re looking to pass the blame/ make excuses to themselves because they can’t face the truth- that they messed up.

Vivalavida1 · 15/09/2024 19:00

As someone who is currently being priced out of a London hair salon I’ve been going to for 6 years because a full head of highlights with a toner is now £260 - can you tell me the exact location of this place - thanks 😂

VickyPollard25 · 15/09/2024 19:03

Ginismedicinal · 13/09/2024 14:14

I'm a hairdresser with 30 years experience, I'm employed in a salon and FULLY booked up til the end of November, not even room for a cut and blow dry... but, my boss sat me down yesterday to say I'm not earning her enough money, she's having to 'carry me'!
I've been here 2 years and, strangely, they charge about £40 for a full head highlights, toners and cut and blow dry!! I've NEVER worked anywhere that charges less than £90+ for a service like this.
Obviously they can't be charging enough to cover wages/overheads etc, and suddenly, out of nowhere I've been taken asside for this chat that there's not enough money coming in.
I'm the only stylist here, I open up, I close etc, just me. How am I to earn them more money if I'm fully booked up months in advance? I don't even have ANY breaks etc.
Is there something I'm missing? I'm so confused by this sudden 'problem' where the solution is in the owners control, not mine... charge more for the services! 🤦🏻‍♀️

This is terrible! You need to leave. I noticed my hairdresser wasn’t being valued by the salon owner, and the owner kept trying to sell me add ons each time I went in. It was awkward. I asked my hairdresser if she could come to my house and now she does. I pay her cash and she charges me £70 for colour and I give her a £20 tip. You could do home visits with clients you like and make more.

Shazam2 · 15/09/2024 19:05

with your skills I would go look for another job your boss obviously doesn't appreciate you

joolsella · 15/09/2024 19:13

Just leave...there's plenty of jobs for hairdressers

chuggabo · 15/09/2024 19:42

For the person who asked about a hairdressing version of Kitchen Nightmares- there is a show called Tabitha takes over. A v respected hairdresser looks at why various salons aren't doing the business that they might. Episodes are on YouTube. It's a fascinating look at the industry even though it's a few years ago now.

DeCaray · 15/09/2024 19:43

Who is there when you're off?

Why are you the only member of staff?

ItcanbeDone · 15/09/2024 19:49

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 13/09/2024 14:46

Is there a kitchen nightmares for salons? I can just picture Gordon Ramsay yelling at her.

Lol I can picture this.

"YOU F&ING IDIOT! YOUR PRICES ARE TOO LOW! What are you doing, inhaling too much F&ing HAIRSPRAY you Peroxide PRAT! RAISE YOUR F*&^ING PRICES you absolute BOWL-CUT BELLEND!'

MillshakePickle · 15/09/2024 20:00

I'm in the industry and understand it fully. Something is definitely not right. 40 quid for any colour and cut doesn't even cover basic over heads. I would be leaving. It's dodgy as hell.

You should be on way more than min wage. Min wage if anything should be your safety net plus you should be entitled to earn commission on your takings and retail. Most salons follow this model because it works for both the stylist and the business.

You are entitled to an hours worth (unpaid) breaks a day. 20mins after 6 hours work. Please read up on what you're entitled to.

Between the pay and no breaks, you are being underpaid and exploited. You are also damaging your reputation by charging (her pricing) so little. You are worth more than this.

As a pp has said. Senior stylists that can run a fully booked, back to back column are rare. First salon you walk into, I bet you'll get the position.

Interview, choose a salon that works for you, you can be choosy. It's your market to play with at the moment. Go in with a yearly salary in mind plus commission and benefits. Ie, free hair colour and services for you, discount on electrical and retail products for personal use and the hours you want to work. Be reasonable and see what other salons in your area are paying. Check on glass door and indeed. Look at not only client reviews but staff reviews as well. Present yourself well and have your certificates and a digital portfolio (instagram or similar) and/or client referrals ready.

Be prepared to trades test and have several models ready as back up.

I would currently stay away from mobile and renting a chair unless you have enough guaranteed business that will follow you. Product costs, general overheads, delivery and equipment costs are at an all-time high. Squeezing a decent profit out of it will be a grind. Also, most salon offer ups killing and paid for technical courses. These are worth their weight in gold. Working solo runs the risk of your skill set diminishing. Stylists often work to the level or aspire to the level of the best stylists around them. Keep pushing your skill set and technical ability. Keep on top of trends and the actual worth of the worl thay you produce. Due to the market currently stylists are selling themselves short because salon owners are struggling to turn the same margins of profit that they had been in previous years.

Pudmyboy · 15/09/2024 20:03

k1233 · 14/09/2024 06:53

@Ginismedicinal my hairdresser isn't mobile, but she rents a space in a salon. There's multiple people renting spaces there and it's just lovely. She owned the salon across the road before getting fed up with staff management and selling that business. Now she works for herself in a salon but only rents the space. It's a great compromise between a salon and mobile.

Just another suggestion for you to consider 🙂

I came on to suggest something like this: renting a chair in a salon. Whatever you go for, I hope it all goes well, certainly you have the hairdressing skills, just need to start to learn the business side and other posters have given excellent pointers and links 💇

AtlanticMum · 15/09/2024 20:21

Those are ridiculous prices and she is taking you for granted. Have recently had to move hairdressers in London @ £195 for half head of highlights with cut and blowdry. To £145 at a good suburban place. Move and get your own chair with decent rates. Everyone loves an experienced hairdresser.

YMZ · 15/09/2024 20:27

Eyesopenwideawake · 13/09/2024 14:16

Can you go out on your own? Sounds like you're 'carrying' her rather than the other way around.

I agree, whatever her issue is it’s not your problem. Clients clearly want your service or you wouldn’t be so booked up.
Start looking for a new job.

SparklyGreyShaker · 15/09/2024 20:27

Speaking in general terms it can sometimes happen that some companies, on occasions, may be slow to issue new employees with contracts of employment and "slow" may, sometimes, be several years. New employees are "supposed" to be issued with a contract of employment within a matter of weeks (the last time that I checked) of starting a new job. The question of whether an employee is not subject to the "terms of employment" just because they haven't been given a physical contract of employment can only be answered properly by an employment lawyer. I suspect that many employers may believe that all employees are subject to "terms of employment" regardless of whether or not a contract has been issued while many employees may believe that they are not subject to "terms of employment" if they have not received a contract. Regarding the OP to me it has the "whiff" of the employer wanting the OP to leave for whatever reason. My advice would be stay put.

Kjpt140v · 15/09/2024 20:29

Time to set up on your own.

deste · 15/09/2024 20:38

I pay £135 for a T Section in NE Scotland and no toner required. Her prices are nuts.

fetchacloth · 15/09/2024 20:41

You're probably subsidising your boss really.
Also it's illegal to expect an employee to work without breaks if you're working more than 4 hours per day.

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 15/09/2024 20:48

Ginismedicinal · 14/09/2024 13:02

Thanks guys.
Firstly - I have NO contract with the salon/boss. She just took me on, gave me the shop keys and left me to it! I've booked out breaks for myself many times, but she removes them and books people in 🤨
I'm supposed to finish at 6 on a Friday night, but she has occasionally booked in a full colour correction at 5pm, and I've still been there at 9pm, no breaks 🤦🏻‍♀️
Far as I can tell from what clients have been telling me, stylists stay on average 2 years before they leave, wether they're fired or just leave I don't know.
There was a lady that came for a safety assessment a couple of months ago and when I said "the boss isn't here to sign off on this" she stated she'd been told I was the business parter... having my concerns about potential dodgy business dealings going on (her family have a criminal history and past ties with local mafia I'm told!!) It instantly raised red flags that IF my name is somehow tied to this business formally (most DEFINITELY unbeknown to me) than if somethings goes wrong - am I left to take any fall?
This sudden turn in her attitude with me concerns me. I'd very much like to stay til I build up my clientele, but my instincts are increasingly screaming at me... it's quite the mess 😬
Haha I'm in the Lincolnshire area x

You must have a contract, otherwise she is under no obligation to pay you. A contract doesn't have to be in writing to be a contract.

Toptops · 15/09/2024 20:58

It sounds like you already know the answer - work elsewhere or set yourself up as self employed, renting a chair, or as a mobile hairdresser, or both.
I'm sure your happy clients would follow you.
And you can do it guilt-free as you've already told the owner where she's going wrong.
Good luck!

MustBeGinOclock · 15/09/2024 21:38

You need to move elsewhere or set up on your own. She has no clue by sounds of it

Naddd · 15/09/2024 21:40

Ginismedicinal · 13/09/2024 14:33

Thanks for the replys guys.
Yes, I said "you need to pit your prices up, I've been saying this since I started here" she ALWAYS responds with "yes I know, I've been meaning to do it, but just not got round to it" 😳
On my average day, I do 3 or 4 big colour jobs, and several cuts and blow dry's - in other salons this would bring in perhaps £550+, with their prices it's around £100/£120!!
I did I huge colour correction a couple of weeks ago that took me about 4 hours... a BIG correction, the boss quoted her £60!
She has AMPLE opportunity to increase her prices but doesn't. I've suggested I'd help her create new price lists etc, but it never happens... I'm so confused by it all... I'm not earning her enough because she's not charging enough to cover all overheads - I CAN'T fix that...

I'm quite the tightwad but even i can see those price are ridiculously low.
Its at least £35 for a cut and blow dry on it's own.
She surely can't even be covering her costs charging so little.
It seems the ideal setup for money laundering.

AgileGreenSeal · 15/09/2024 21:45

Look at moving to another salon

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