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Maternity Grievance and sick leave

116 replies

Mumof3kidss · 17/07/2024 20:34

Unfortunately, whilst being on maternity leave my employer has sourced a new line manager without informing me, given that this was a role I was training and preparing for prior to maternity leave, I am most aggrieved and have raised the grievance with HR. During my ML I have received a lot of pressure from my manager to have keeping in touch days, something which I’ve not felt up to doing. a culmination of those two things have caused a lot of undue stress, and with my return to workday fast approaching I’m contemplating seeing my GP and taking some time off for the stress.

I just wondered if any of your lovely parents had any thoughts on the above and if you’ve been through anything similar? I’m feeling pretty bad about taking further time off.

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Mumof3kidss · 17/07/2024 23:33

PlanningTowns · 17/07/2024 23:25

Are you in a union and have you sought their advice? I assume not given your posts.

where was the job advertised? Internally, externally? If the person who got the job an interim, agency or permanent member of staff? Was there an application process and interview? I’ll be honest I’ve never heard that an employer must inform someone on maternity of relevant vacancies - because what is relevant? In all my union training this has never been raised…. Is there a work place policy that requires this in your workplace?

in terms of the grievance, they always come with unintended consequences - so beware of that. Byes it is your right to raise one, but I’m not sure I can see where you have been discriminated against from the information you have provided. The other thing about grievances is that you need to clearly explain what you want to get out of it.

I think you will need some employment law support if you’re not in a union.

i also fine it odd that your manager has been in touch about kit days and training but you’ve not discussed what’s going on in the workplace and the appointment. Surely it is good that they are offering you the training? You can absolutely say no and obviously they way in which the kit days are presented to you is critical here but it’s odd that on one hand you are being communicated with to the point you feel pressured and on the other hand you’re not being communicated with to the point you feel discriminated against.

Yes it is odd that my line manager was in contact and only felt it necessary to inform me once the candidate and been placed in the role.

By training they wanted 3 days away from home at the other end of the country when my baby was 3 months old.

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Saytheyhear · 17/07/2024 23:33

I think this is a terrible way for employer to treat their long standing employee! You must be both happy for being a mum to a lovely baby (congratulations!) And so infuriated with losing so much.

I would contact working families. Mat leave is protected but when it's up, I'm sure your employer will pull some other stunt that you need to be prepared for.

Pregnant then screwed is another excellent service. The woman who ran it was in a similar situation to you some 8-10 years ago and is the woman who campaigned for more childcare hours.

If you're sick, please go sick. Don't put any unnecessary stress on you because of an awful employer. Stay strong with kit days. If you're not ready, you're not ready (for rubbish employer!)

Atethehalloweenchocs · 17/07/2024 23:34

mayorofcasterbridge · 17/07/2024 23:23

You have no understanding of what name calling is!! I absolutely did NOT name call you! You chastised the OP for not wanting to be constantly contacted about KIT days but not contacted about the job opening? I rest my case!

Oh stop now! Speaking of people being ridiculous.......since apparently that is not name calling.

Saytheyhear · 17/07/2024 23:37

The training for 3 days... How did you not laugh in shock?! That's a disgrace!

How can they justify something so ridiculous with you leaving a precious newborn so long?!

Mumof3kidss · 17/07/2024 23:37

Thank you! such helpful suggestions, I will definitely look into those.

I’ve been informed that the law has recently changed and maternity protection is up until 18 months.

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PlanningTowns · 17/07/2024 23:38

Just done some googling which was eye opening! So if the job was advertised externally only and this is common it is unlikely that you would have a claim that you were disadvantaged (but you could look into this more). However it appears that if the job was advertised internally then there could be a case that they have hindered your career progression. It would also be interesting what your maternity policy states about keeping in touch.

PlanningTowns · 17/07/2024 23:40

Oh and the 3 day training - reasonable for them to ask, reasonable for you to say no. In fact I don’t think there is any requirement to undertake any KIT days but again depends on your policy.

UncharteredWaters · 17/07/2024 23:45

Mumof3kidss · 17/07/2024 23:04

I did say no to the KIT days but they have persisted in asking I take them to attend training etc. surely I shouldn’t have to continuously say no.

They’ll be accused of ‘not offering you the opportunity’ if they don’t.
can’t win, too much context v not enough

Mumof3kidss · 17/07/2024 23:45

Role was not advertised externally it was only communicated internally.

the person who got the role did not apply for it directly, they applied for an alternative role and were placed in to this one instead.

They have no qualifications for the role, undertook a basic certificate post appointment. Have little to no experience.

I am not personally attacking them, but it highlights that they are not competent but were placed in the role regardless.

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StormingNorman · 17/07/2024 23:49

mayorofcasterbridge · 17/07/2024 23:00

You don't have a clue do you?!

The stress is coming from the knowledge that the OP has been passed over for promotion without a chance to compete because she was on maternity leave!

Do you think that's fair?!

If the job was advertised via the company dial channels eg website then the employer discharged their duty to inform the OP of openings.

An employer is not obligated to send each employee on maternity leave a bespoke list of current vacancies they may be interested in every week.

Mumof3kidss · 17/07/2024 23:52

Actually, they are legally required to contact me about any promotion opportunities.

No one expects a full list of irrelevant vacancies!

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StormingNorman · 17/07/2024 23:56

Mumof3kidss · 17/07/2024 23:14

Difficult or just not wanting to be discriminated?

Funny how women who stand their ground are difficult, a man would be seen as strong.

It’s not you standing your ground so much as the way you go about it. You’re being quite abrasive.

StormingNorman · 17/07/2024 23:58

Mumof3kidss · 17/07/2024 23:52

Actually, they are legally required to contact me about any promotion opportunities.

No one expects a full list of irrelevant vacancies!

They’re not unless you have no other way of accessing vacancies.

StormingNorman · 17/07/2024 23:59

Mumof3kidss · 17/07/2024 23:45

Role was not advertised externally it was only communicated internally.

the person who got the role did not apply for it directly, they applied for an alternative role and were placed in to this one instead.

They have no qualifications for the role, undertook a basic certificate post appointment. Have little to no experience.

I am not personally attacking them, but it highlights that they are not competent but were placed in the role regardless.

It’s not for you to judge the competence. The person recruiting saw something they liked to give them a role they didn’t even apply for.

Mumof3kidss · 18/07/2024 00:00

StormingNorman · 17/07/2024 23:56

It’s not you standing your ground so much as the way you go about it. You’re being quite abrasive.

Would you rather I be soft and delicate about my career being hindered.

Re you last post: if the vacancy wasn’t posted externally, how do you suggest I find out about it whilst on maternity leave.

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Nop · 18/07/2024 00:01

I'm not finding you abrasive in the slightest, op. Sounds very stressful. Please allow yourself to take the time off if you need it.

VerySadCase · 18/07/2024 00:14

Mumof3kidss · 18/07/2024 00:00

Would you rather I be soft and delicate about my career being hindered.

Re you last post: if the vacancy wasn’t posted externally, how do you suggest I find out about it whilst on maternity leave.

What's the usual process for internal candidates to find out about vacancies, OP?

mayorofcasterbridge · 18/07/2024 00:14

PlanningTowns · 17/07/2024 23:25

Are you in a union and have you sought their advice? I assume not given your posts.

where was the job advertised? Internally, externally? If the person who got the job an interim, agency or permanent member of staff? Was there an application process and interview? I’ll be honest I’ve never heard that an employer must inform someone on maternity of relevant vacancies - because what is relevant? In all my union training this has never been raised…. Is there a work place policy that requires this in your workplace?

in terms of the grievance, they always come with unintended consequences - so beware of that. Byes it is your right to raise one, but I’m not sure I can see where you have been discriminated against from the information you have provided. The other thing about grievances is that you need to clearly explain what you want to get out of it.

I think you will need some employment law support if you’re not in a union.

i also fine it odd that your manager has been in touch about kit days and training but you’ve not discussed what’s going on in the workplace and the appointment. Surely it is good that they are offering you the training? You can absolutely say no and obviously they way in which the kit days are presented to you is critical here but it’s odd that on one hand you are being communicated with to the point you feel pressured and on the other hand you’re not being communicated with to the point you feel discriminated against.

You need to update your union training as it is required that employers keep staff on maternity leave and indeed sick leave informed of any vacancies.

Mumof3kidss · 18/07/2024 00:16

VerySadCase · 18/07/2024 00:14

What's the usual process for internal candidates to find out about vacancies, OP?

Usual process is email notification or in person by management

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mayorofcasterbridge · 18/07/2024 00:17

Atethehalloweenchocs · 17/07/2024 23:34

Oh stop now! Speaking of people being ridiculous.......since apparently that is not name calling.

You're being even more ridiculous now.

mayorofcasterbridge · 18/07/2024 00:21

StormingNorman · 17/07/2024 23:59

It’s not for you to judge the competence. The person recruiting saw something they liked to give them a role they didn’t even apply for.

Are you really that naive??? I've stood back and watched many an incompetent and unqualified person be appointed to a post because their face fitted. And they are shit in the job as well!! I found notes today from 5 years ago when an employee was shadowing me. Since that, she's been promoted twice, several grades up. She doesn't have a clue. She's not even articulate and she stood up at a conference and confessed she had a Mickey Mouse degree! Seriously!

PenguinCounter · 18/07/2024 00:22

Have you only taken 6 months maternity leave? If so, could you ask to extend that instead of going off sick?

SemperIdem · 18/07/2024 00:24

scotscorner · 17/07/2024 23:26

Sounds like they’ve failed to tell you about an opportunity you’d planned for and of course reasonable to question whether that could be down to discrimination.

I agree with others that (beyond the grievance) you might want to consider your general approach. The stress leave suggestion paints you in a very negative light and being honest, refusing to do KIT days is quite an unhelpful thing to do in terms of you getting the best out of your employer and keeping those relationships/knowledge strong (appreciate there may be extenuating circumstances).

KIT days are very much optional and intended to benefit the employee. Employers have no right to pressure women on maternity leave to complete them.

The number of women who complete all 10 are minimal in the extreme. At most it is 2/3.

mayorofcasterbridge · 18/07/2024 00:26

StormingNorman · 17/07/2024 23:56

It’s not you standing your ground so much as the way you go about it. You’re being quite abrasive.

How can you term a woman standing up for her rights as "abrasive"? That is actually disgusting!

mayorofcasterbridge · 18/07/2024 00:27

StormingNorman · 17/07/2024 23:49

If the job was advertised via the company dial channels eg website then the employer discharged their duty to inform the OP of openings.

An employer is not obligated to send each employee on maternity leave a bespoke list of current vacancies they may be interested in every week.

I think you will find they are.