Misogynistic manager -speak up or shut up?

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Dd has worked for a small company for a couple of months. Only female there. Ten guys working there with an absent company owner and a male manager running the company on a day to day basis.

so dd has told me today the guy who is her manager/supervisor is a total misogynist who openly talks about listening to Andrew Tate, and discusses stuff like rape and sexual assault don’t actually happen. To the extent one of the other guys in the office has apologised to Dd and says the conversations make him uncomfortable so he can’t imagine how it is for Dd. He initiates probing conversations with Dd about feminism and then rants at her for her opinions.

This guy is causing trouble for Dd telling the owner that Dd isn’t good at her job.

So dd is now considering telling the company owner/big boss all of this. But I am nervous for a few reasons. While I agree it’s the right thing to do I don’t think it will do Dd any good, in fact the opposite. This guy has screamed and shouted at Dd for a mistake she made a while ago, shouted for 15 mins while Dd was crying. Other people in the office said to Dd afterwards that he shouldn’t have done that but that’s the way he is. But when another junior guy made a similar mistake this senior guy was fine with him.

dd mentioned to the owner in a f2f meeting about the shouting incident and the company owner said “that’s just how x is”. So he obviously doesn’t give a shit. The owner is barely in the office and it sounds like senior guy is running the company on a day to day basis. So no way will the owner prioritise Dd over this man.

i think Dd will make her life worse by speaking up and probably escalate her removal from the company. She is job hunting but needs to keep this job till she finds something else.

If it were me I'd find a new job then claim unfair dismissal. Your dd can't stay there under those circumstances but her card will be marked for speaking up, what disgusting behaviour your poor dd.
I would seek legal advice first of all.

Speak up,its not a job for life.
I worked in a male dominated industry and we had a daily meeting
One lone female.
One guy would voice his sexist, racist, homophobic shite every morning.
I tried to turn it on him ,oh it dinosaur Dave and his prehistoric opinions etc.
What made it worse in my eyes was he'd speak filth to female staff ,but I knew he wouldn't pull the same stunt with his own wife....utter prick.

She could do couldn’t she with sex being a protected characteristic……just not sure the others would back her up so she has no evidence.

This needs to be reported, and the company’s dignity at work/anti-bullying/harrassment policy followed. If they don’t have one, your DD needs to seek legal advice. The way this manager is behaving is absolutely not acceptable. Should your daughter feel that her only option is to leave she would have a case for constructive dismissal, but she needs to explore all reasonable ways to resolve the issue first.

Personally I would focus on exiting as quickly as possible without making my life more difficult in the meantime. It's a tiny business with an owner who doesn't care, speaking up won't change anything for the better sadly.

If she's not already a member of a union, I would suggest joining one so she has some backup in future jobs.

Agree. It’s not right but raising it will only bring her trouble. This guy will say she is making things up to deflect from ‘poor performance’. You don’t want anything to affect her reference.

That's better advice than mine, nothing is going to change.i just hate seeing pricks getting away with wanky behaviour.
Hopefully she can exit and get a better job with a more forward thinking company.

Should your daughter feel that her only option is to leave she would have a case for constructive dismissal, but she needs to explore all reasonable ways to resolve the issue first.

quoting the OP Dd has worked for a small company for a couple of months.

She would not "have a case" - she hasn't completed 2 years' service and in any case CD is extremely difficult to prove in this situation.

she would be well advised to find new work and leave. If she wants to, she can state her reason for leaving, but it sounds like a horrendous place to work and she would be better off protecting her own MH and pick her battles.

I don’t think you need to have worked for two years if there is discrimination against a protected characteristic but I get what you’re saying about it being hard to prove and probably better for her mental health just to walk away.

Would advise your dd finds another job in a less toxic environment. Shouting at an employee is not acceptable - so there's enough of a red flag about how the owner will respond to the misogynist complaints. It's lovely to think you can change the world, speak truth to power but the reality is fighting back can be personally costly and not really achieve anything in the end.

Personally I would advise DD to look elsewhere.
This isn't the right environment for her.
I've worked with guy like this for years.
Recently reported an all female environment I joined for ostracism gossip general nasty behaviour.It helped me for a bit but ultimately I had to leave anyway after 18 months.
It will be too stressful for your DD.I don't think the guys should get away with it but your DD may as well go elsewhere.

Rutlandwater I agree.

She needs to start gathering evidence.
Keep a diary of days, times, who was there, witnesses, what was said.
She can be stealthy too, text a colleague and say X made me uncomfortable today when he said/did this, what did you think? And save that conversation as evidence it happened and there was a witness, don't need to say why the conversation is taking place or that it is being saved.
Email owner and give them a last chance. Say 'I am the victim of sex discrimination and harrassment. I want it to stop, otherwise I will have no choice but to seek legal advice'. If the response is dismissive, that in itself is evidence.
Or she oould just quit and claim constructive dismissal but without evidence this can be hard to win.

If this bloke and shouted at her for 15 minutes I'm the pub like this... The police would have been called...