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Can making a huge mistake in work be gross misconduct?

158 replies

BumbleBumbleBumbleBumbleBee · 09/05/2024 16:01

Mistake was found a year after work carried out. The person who made the mistake should absolutely have known better. It was signed off by others in the department at the time. Would this on its own be enough to be considered gross misconduct? A disciplinary hearing has been called.

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YouStupidPoptart · 09/05/2024 16:03

Entirely depends on the consequences of the error I imagine.

Aquamarine1029 · 09/05/2024 16:04

Everyone who signed off should also be facing the same consequences.

Blanketpolicy · 09/05/2024 16:04

If the mistake was serious and came about due to gross negligence, then yes.

Less serious issues can be dealt with by performance improvement plans, warnings etc.

YaWeeFurryBastard · 09/05/2024 16:05

Impossible to say without knowing more information about the mistake. It COULD be gross misconduct but if it makes you feel any better I have known some very serious mistakes be made at work and only once have I known the person be sacked and that’s because they tried to cover it up.

Blanketpolicy · 09/05/2024 16:06

Aquamarine1029 · 09/05/2024 16:04

Everyone who signed off should also be facing the same consequences.

Not necessarily, if their accountability is to sign off based on the information they have been given.

GreenTreeFlower · 09/05/2024 16:08

I don't know the answer but might the fact that someone was careless or reckless make a difference.
Everyone can make a genuine mistake sometimes but if you make a mistake because your were reckless then is that worse?

BumbleBumbleBumbleBumbleBee · 09/05/2024 16:10

The people performing the checks had as much information as the employee. The mistake concerns insufficient research being carried out.

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flapjackfairy · 09/05/2024 16:17

I know of one person dismissed for gross musconduct at a school. They mixed the wrong chemicals in the swimming pool causing a major incident as toxic fumes were created that could have been deadly. luckily no children were in the school at the time. So yes you can be sacked for gross misconduct. Though his attempts to pass the buck also had a strong bearing on the outcome so if it is you or someone you know the best thing you can do.is be honest and take responsibility.

sweetnessandlighter · 09/05/2024 16:20

It will depend on the employer, the employee's role, the mistake, and the consequences, but to answer the question: yes, a serious mistake could constitute gross misconduct.

BumbleBumbleBumbleBumbleBee · 09/05/2024 16:26

It is me - I failed to research (and most importantly discount) all of the options for a client and we ended up advising the wrong outcome. The investigation is ongoing but I think I’m going to be dismissed. If/ when I am what I do then? How is it ever possible to work again? I work in a highly regulated industry so I don’t think I’d be hired ever again.

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Blanketpolicy · 09/05/2024 16:28

BumbleBumbleBumbleBumbleBee · 09/05/2024 16:10

The people performing the checks had as much information as the employee. The mistake concerns insufficient research being carried out.

Are the people performing the checks accountable to also perform the same full research (which seems a huge waste of time having people doing duplicate work) so they know if anything has been missed, or do they just signoff on the research findings. Meaning they don't know what has been missed.

What is the difference in accountability between the person doing the research and those who sign it off?

Blanketpolicy · 09/05/2024 16:33

Reflecting back, why did you fail to research?

Training gap
Didn't follow procedures
No procedures/flawed procedures
Negligence/didn't take proper care
Inexperience at the time
Cutting corners
Something else?

Did you highlight at the time any issues you had with inexperience, workload or training gaps?

BumbleBumbleBumbleBumbleBee · 09/05/2024 16:35

Whilst you are in probation you are assigned to a member of staff who is supposed to check your case as carefully as if they had prepared it themselves. I don’t want to pass the buck as it is my error but I am the only one now facing consequences. I think because the other people have been employed for decades and I’m still very new.

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wast542 · 09/05/2024 16:36

Unless it was done deliberately it would probably just be gross negligence

BumbleBumbleBumbleBumbleBee · 09/05/2024 16:37

Blanketpolicy · 09/05/2024 16:33

Reflecting back, why did you fail to research?

Training gap
Didn't follow procedures
No procedures/flawed procedures
Negligence/didn't take proper care
Inexperience at the time
Cutting corners
Something else?

Did you highlight at the time any issues you had with inexperience, workload or training gaps?

Edited

Being completely honest it was a knowledge gap that I shouldn’t have had and wasn’t aware that I did have.

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DrJonesIpresume · 09/05/2024 16:37

BumbleBumbleBumbleBumbleBee · 09/05/2024 16:35

Whilst you are in probation you are assigned to a member of staff who is supposed to check your case as carefully as if they had prepared it themselves. I don’t want to pass the buck as it is my error but I am the only one now facing consequences. I think because the other people have been employed for decades and I’m still very new.

Ah, well you are the fall guy then.

CadyEastman · 09/05/2024 16:44

Have you posted about this recently? Seems very familiar.

fedupandstuck · 09/05/2024 16:47

I think I would be quite firmly asking why the case was signed off by your supervisor when they should have been in a position to address the gap in your knowledge and prevent this issue from occurring.

Blanketpolicy · 09/05/2024 16:59

BumbleBumbleBumbleBumbleBee · 09/05/2024 16:37

Being completely honest it was a knowledge gap that I shouldn’t have had and wasn’t aware that I did have.

When/how was the knowledge gap identified and plugged and, as it is a highly regulated industry, did you make your boss/line manager aware so they could decide if they had to retrospectively review any work you had done? If you did do you have proof of this.

AgnesX · 09/05/2024 17:03

I remember a situation similar where the mistake wasn't caught. Because the checker didn't catch it the originator didn't get fired but he wasn't popular afterwards.

They did move on fairly soon afterwards. As your reputation is probably shagged I reckon that's as much as you can hope for.

Spirallingdownwards · 09/05/2024 17:05

Are you a lawyer? If so the partner you work for is ultimately responsible as they are meant to supervise you adequately. If rhe client has suffered financially then the firm's insurance would kick in even a large enough sum.

Startingagainandagain · 09/05/2024 17:06

Were you in your probation period when this happened?

In which case you should not be the one facing disciplinary for this.

There should have been measures in place to make sure your work was supervised while you were still getting to grip with the job, clients and procedures and getting the right training.

Whoever was supposed to keep an eye on your work (line manager) and the people who signed this off were responsible for spotting mistakes as this can be expected from new starters.

Make that point at the meeting and make sure you don't get the blame for this on your own while everyone else scapegoats you.

BumbleBumbleBumbleBumbleBee · 09/05/2024 17:07

Yes law. Yes there has been financial implications for the client. The gap in knowledge was only identified when the audit found the error. I have completed additional training webinars in this area since I became aware.

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Startingagainandagain · 09/05/2024 17:09

I should have added: surely they knew what skills/experience/knowledge you had when they hired you? and should have spotted the gaps in your knowledge then and ask you to do additional training before letting you loose on clients?

Sounds like crappy management...

AloeVerity · 09/05/2024 17:13

Sounds like your mentor should have picked up on this. I think this is your strongest argument. Surely the whole point of a second signatory is that more than one pair of eyes have seen whatever paperwork and agreed it is ok.