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Recruited for succession planning, 2 years later, no sign of the promotion

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workstayorgo · 21/04/2024 15:58

Wasn’t sure how to title this!

A couple of years ago, I was approached about a job that was similar to my current position, but would grow into succeeding into a senior position. This reflected how I wanted my career to grow, I liked the company, and was unlikely to be able to get the same career growth at existing job, so I took it.

2 years down the line, the person in the senior role is showing no signs of retirement, gets very defensive if anyone ever mentions it (not by me!!) and starts making noises about age discrimination. I’ve mentioned to the CEO and HR Manager that I was kind of expecting to be moving into the role by now, but the current person has basically said they’ll be staying for at least another 4 years (when they will be 70).

The company has merged with another company since I started, and the senior team benefitted from very large bonuses that will continue for the next 4 years (ie why the senior person won’t be leaving!). One thing I brought up in my interview was the prospect of a merger and was told it wouldn’t happen. I thought it probably would, so also partly took the job hoping that something may happen in the future, and I’d see some of the benefit. So now it’s happened, and I’m not seeing the benefit!

Now I don’t know what to do. HR Manager and CEO very much want me to stay and are worried I’m a flight risk. Have asked me to consider what incentives I’d need to stay. I’ve seen another role being advertised elsewhere which I could apply for, but no guarantee I’d get it, I don’t know what the salary would be, would require a lot of travel to the business hub, and ultimately, I still like the company I’m currently working for. Although my skills are very flexible, I’m specialised in an industry I love, but which is also going through a difficult, sustained downturn, so jobs within the same sector aren’t plentiful (although moving sectors shouldn’t be too difficult if I was forced to do so).

I’m nearly 50, so I was hoping this would be my last big job before retirement, but I really didn’t want to start it in my mid-late 50s! There is also a (probably small, but still there) risk at the end of the 4 years, that the merged company might want someone new in the role, or might centralize the function, and I could lose it having waited 6 years for it.

So, what do I do? What do I ask for? Do I cut my losses (the idea of recruitment, job hunting and settling into a new (senior) role from scratch again makes me feel a bit sick), or stick it out?

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skipit8103 · 21/04/2024 16:01

but you’re not being asked to “stick it out”

They have asked you to consider what incentives you want

BananaLambo · 21/04/2024 16:05

Ask for what you want. ‘I want to be part of the senior management team with responsibility for xyz, and a benefits package commensurate with the role.

Poachedeggavocado · 21/04/2024 16:05

A bit of of bait and switch going on here but it's the nature of corporates. If you didn't have it written down, unfortunately all their vague promises mean nothing. I'd ask for a significant pay increase as well as stock etc and at the same time I'd apply for other roles, you don't have to take them but you might be surprised at what competitors are willing to offer. Then you can make a balanced decision.

VestPantsandSocks · 21/04/2024 16:05

The key point: are you still expanding your skill set?

If not, and thats a deal breaker for you, then leave.

In any case, I would still ask for a pay rise of at least £10k to bring you closer to your goal salary.

HappiestSleeping · 21/04/2024 16:08

You need to leave. In 35 years, I've never seen this sort of "jam tomorrow" situation work out. Their timescale does not align with yours.

workstayorgo · 21/04/2024 16:53

OK, some very frank comments here (which is exactly why I posted, so thank you).

I'll try to respond to a few points.

The CEO joined just before I did, and has a prickly relationship with the current senior member. They have indicated to others that they would rather I was in the role, as they feel we'd have an easier working relationship. I agree with this.

Stock options not available, it's a privately owned company. But I could ask for profit sharing rights.

Yes, I'm still learning, and will continue to do so. I also really like the company we've merged with, and can see even more potential growth with them in the future.

Applying for other jobs isn't that simple. The process for each job can take several rounds of interviews, travelling to do so, and quite frankly, I don't have enough space in my week to pile on the part time job of looking for another job. My current role was a bit more straightforward as I was head-hunted specifically (I don't think they bothered interviewing anyone else, and I wasn't actively looking to leave my previous role).

So maybe I'm answering my own question. I don't want to leave, I want profit sharing points (I've actually already asked for this, but can put it forward officially). I currently work 80%, but frequently work some of my day off, so I may also ask for FT pay (but I will then be expected to be in the office or available for that time of course, and my 'day off', even if I need to do some work in the time, is very precious to me, so this isn't an easy concession. Perhaps 100% pay for 90% hours...).

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HappiestSleeping · 21/04/2024 16:58

workstayorgo · 21/04/2024 16:53

OK, some very frank comments here (which is exactly why I posted, so thank you).

I'll try to respond to a few points.

The CEO joined just before I did, and has a prickly relationship with the current senior member. They have indicated to others that they would rather I was in the role, as they feel we'd have an easier working relationship. I agree with this.

Stock options not available, it's a privately owned company. But I could ask for profit sharing rights.

Yes, I'm still learning, and will continue to do so. I also really like the company we've merged with, and can see even more potential growth with them in the future.

Applying for other jobs isn't that simple. The process for each job can take several rounds of interviews, travelling to do so, and quite frankly, I don't have enough space in my week to pile on the part time job of looking for another job. My current role was a bit more straightforward as I was head-hunted specifically (I don't think they bothered interviewing anyone else, and I wasn't actively looking to leave my previous role).

So maybe I'm answering my own question. I don't want to leave, I want profit sharing points (I've actually already asked for this, but can put it forward officially). I currently work 80%, but frequently work some of my day off, so I may also ask for FT pay (but I will then be expected to be in the office or available for that time of course, and my 'day off', even if I need to do some work in the time, is very precious to me, so this isn't an easy concession. Perhaps 100% pay for 90% hours...).

If you aren't prepared to leave, then you have indeed answered your own question. You need to reconcile that the promised promotion is unlikely to happen.

I doubt they will give you anything more than a token gesture as they likely know you won't leave. You probably would have by now if you were going to. This hands all the power to your employer I'm afraid.

I have been both sides of this equation, and don't envy you. I ended up leaving a job I loved, but it is what it is.

LadyLapsang · 21/04/2024 17:26

It wasn’t in their gift to infer the senior person was leaving. There is usually no retirement age so the senior person can stay as long as he likes and who can blame him. You don’t sound a serious flight risk, but the danger will be when your senior colleague leaves they get someone new for his role. It sounds like they recruited you under false pretences. I wouldn’t be surprised if you do decide to leave that the senior person retires at the most inconvenient time with no successor in post as revenge for them trying to pressure him out.

skipit8103 · 21/04/2024 17:41

how was the job actually advertised op ?

no way would it have referred to succession planning

user8800 · 21/04/2024 17:51

Well....
They saw you coming op

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 21/04/2024 17:57

They can't guarantee anything about that role - when it will be available and whether you will get it.

What if a new CEO comes in and wants to do something else.

Do either negotiate a good deal that keeps you happy enough to stay or move on.

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