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Anyone in full time work and with no friends?

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CinnamonBunz · 19/04/2024 17:01

I've been in full time employment in IT, for almost 30 years now, which in retrospect I see as a pretty volatile industry regarding job stability. I've managed to remain in technical/managerial roles by changing areas and companies, skilling up and reinventing myself but all in IT. Me having a job made our lives more comfortable, paid for children's nurseries and later on for private schools.

The last two companies I've been with have been pretty awful turning me into a wreck trying to figure out how to resolve being neglected at work and at the same time not burdening DH too much with conversations about work related issue. The end result has been that the only thing I could think of, and with the agreement of DH was to stop working at the age of 52 to try to regroup about what next. He would be happy if I could figure out my social life as that is what has suffered all these years of me working full time for sure.

I am finding myself awfully unprepared and would not know how you can really prepare. The issue of the lack of friends has been bothering me for some years now. I joined a choir and an exercise group a few years back, the choir is in the evening and everyone just goes home after the rehearsals. Exercise group was great which post covid turned into a friendship group for half of the group who did not invite the rest to birthdays or gatherings. I have been going to a class now which turned out to be non verbal, we just exercise, say a few words to one another and go home. May be not the best choice.

I am overall down from two personal friends whom I saw respectively every so often for coffee or at home to literally none. I have now signed up for one of Ramblers walks, but honestly feel so deflated. I literally feel pain in my chest during the day and wake up in the night with the sense of doom which I never felt before.

DH is trying to help, saying to enjoy a few month off and may be go for a horticultural course and meet some friends there. He has scoured local newsletters and web with me for various activities, most of which revolve around local gyms and what looks like quite old folk in the local WI.

This is not first time I stopped working, I had a few months break when I was 40 and failed to find a party time job to be like most Mums where I live. This just feels more hopeless.

We are in a medium sized town in the home counties, every Mum has either been a stay at home Mum or has kept or moved to a part time job. During the time that our children have been through both state and private schools, I wore myself down with childminders, au-pairs, school runs from before and after school care seeing Mums at the occasional evening get together and mini chats at play dates. Us few who worked looked pretty frazzled. Class Reps were doing a fab job in my DS's school and I met DS friend's Mums most, but could not build friendships as missed meeting up in the week for morning coffees. I have even pretended to have a medical appointment to leave work and go to some of their lunches in the day, but it was obvious that I was not part of their story. It was the usual 'nice that you came', 'you always make an effort', that kind of thing. I am wondering how people in more demanding jobs than mine such as doctors navigate their social life or if status and money make things less painful.

The neighbourhoods where we lived/live had a similar vibe, part time Mums whom I saw in the evening or in the street book club, again I felt like an outlier as they got to know each other better in the day.

I did not see that me being from another European country (a small one, with no community in the UK to speak of) was an issue, but it is clear that the place is not diverse at all. We are thinking of squirrelling ourselves back to London at this age, house prices permitting to give me a chance to be with a more diverse crowd.

DH is English, in full time work too and does not seem to be troubled that he has no friends either. He is happy with human contact through his demanding job, motor/boating club, but club members only see each other during the meet ups. I feel that his retirement would be continuing with his hobby and joining a golf club.

Has anyone experienced similar damage to social life due to full time work? Did you find a way to connect with people, used apps like Bumble BFF?

If nothing works and I start getting depressed after this anxiety phase, I am thinking of having another go at a full time job to plug the hole (these are all outside of our town as there isn't much work here) or trying for some shop work allowing me to do a course to meet some other people.

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ItsNotABedOfRoses · 19/04/2024 17:41

Tangent clubs are for age 45+ so younger than many WI (although some WI groups have a wide mix of ages I believe)
https://www.tangent-clubs.org/about/tangent/#:~:text=The%20National%20Association%20of%20Tangent%20Clubs%20(Tangent)%20is%20part%20of,45)%20in%20the%20British%20Isles.

Is there a community cafe you might enjoy volunteering in? A wild swimming group? A book club?
But yes, in my early 50’s, although not retired, it’s just work and then home. Holiday time I doubt I will see anyone apart from my DM and DSis if I travel to see them. School mum friends all seem to be busy and have full lives with lots of other friends as they all grew up in this area and I didn’t. Our DC’s are all adults now and do their own thing. It’s a lonely looking future and I feel the same panic op.

https://www.tangent-clubs.org/about/tangent/#:~:text=The%20National%20Association%20of%20Tangent%20Clubs%20(Tangent)%20is%20part%20of,45)%20in%20the%20British%20Isles.

CinnamonBunz · 19/04/2024 18:55

@ItsNotABedOfRoses Thanks, all great suggestions. I have already contacted a Tangent group in next door town and awaiting a date from them. Our own town is pretty conservative, book clubs are a rarity, even on meetup the book club is in another town near us. What we have is boot camp training which I can't do any longer, find it too hard, park run (need to get to that distance somehow) or the tennis club. I'd love to do tennis but have an old injury which keeps coming back.

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BookWorm45 · 19/04/2024 20:19

Just to say, OP, I sympathise and much the same here, plus many other people I've come across !

WalkingWombat · 19/04/2024 20:27

Coming at this from a different angle, I am similar age but stay at home mum. When my dc were younger I had decent mum friends but as the dc got older lots of people started working or went full time so we stopped meeting up. I do occasionally have a lovely bump into someone and we chat like old friends but we both recognise we don’t have enough in common to see each other regularly.
I don’t work due to a mental health condition and I do find life a bit quiet. I just keep myself busy and spend lots of time with my DH and dc when they are not at school/work. I see my ‘job’ in the week as sorting out as much as possible so the weekends are free for us to enjoy together.

RidingMyBike · 19/04/2024 20:41

Is there something you could volunteer for that involves being with people and having the opportunity to talk? The trouble with exercise classes is that you're there to exercise!

The examples in my local area would be making cups of tea at the community cafe, volunteering in the local library, the park is mostly looked
after gardening-wise by a volunteer group who meet there twice a week.

Abracadabra12345 · 19/04/2024 21:06

I'd agree with taking up some kind of voluntary work.

My biggest friendship group is from within my church

VenetiaHallisWellPosh · 19/04/2024 21:30

I work and go home. Have no close friends. I'm very shy though.

Living in the city is very isolating.

I hope to move to a smaller town one day and join things. I've fancied evening school for ages, and maybe volunteering.

CinnamonBunz · 19/04/2024 21:34

@Abracadabra12345 @RidingMyBike Thank you both, I did look at volunteering for NHS in our local hospital and am likely to give it a go. I would love to do something in the town park as love gardening, need to check, we have only one park and have never seen anyone not in council's park team overalls helping there. There might be some other green spaces where people help. I did search for guerilla/community gardening and as the town is not that urban there isn't any really. You have to go out of town for workshops, wreath making courses which is more to do with friends which I need to find first. I do get very sad when I research, have welled up several times today.

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CinnamonBunz · 19/04/2024 21:41

@WalkingWombat I do understand your perspective as when I first stopped with work at 40 I was meeting up with Mums some of which were going back to do part time work, but most didn't. I just did not feel that I was meeting enough people and my DS was about to join DD at primary school, making me even less busy. My DH always had a demanding job and has never been hands on with kids when they were younger, never played eith them, so did not do that much on the weekends together, he is great with them though now they've grown up. Glad you are keeping busy.

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Puppalicious · 19/04/2024 21:42

I work full time and have made absolutely no mum friends. I have no time, the parents of my children’s friends seem nice and I’m sure would be nice to go for a drink with but I just haven’t formed any relationships with any of them. I’m also an introvert, so am totally drained from work interactions and then then my kids and DH. I do have some friends (maybe 4) who I see rarely but they’re people who I’ve known for 25 years (I’ve lived in this city that long) - if I was new to the area I would have absolutely zero friends! I’m a senior manager in work and I find that precludes making work friends, as you have to remain slightly separate - I had some work friends in previous jobs but have lost touch.

MichaelatheMechanic · 19/04/2024 22:10

Full time work and children doesn't leave an awful lot of time for much else I don't think. It's a sunk cost so there's not an awful lot of point in wasting energy on wondering what's gone wrong.

Volunteering, adult learning classes, hobby groups, exercise groups, getting a dog, the list is endless..... Pick something and try it. If you don't like it, do something else. If you like it, continue doing it and add something else in. The positive momentum will take you forward. See where it takes you. Don't worry too much about trying to make friends just focus on how you feel and whether it makes you excited or even slightly better.

Mel Robbins on YouTube has some good theories on this sort of stuff. She's definitely worth a watch.

MichaelatheMechanic · 19/04/2024 22:14

Also, you don't need to go to workshops or wreath making courses with a friend. Just pitch up and get stuck in!

I was going to do an evening class with a friend a while back and she signed up for something else without telling me. I vowed then I wouldn't hang around waiting for someone else and would just go on my own if need be!

Stainglasses · 19/04/2024 22:26

I made lots of friends at different stages with my kids but we’ve left that place and I’m in a new place with no friends and no work. So it can happen to anyone - I’m not actually sure that I would have kept having endless cups of coffee with my mum friends once the children had moved past needing me hanging around in the playground / play dates etc. they were lovely friends for the season but I’ve always found just socialising for the sake of socialising when everyone else is at work feels really hollow.

Keep trying! Go to some more activities and you will find some more folks to chat to.

EmmaEmerald · 19/04/2024 22:27

Different situation but same result, I can only offer sympathy OP.

I'm trying to be more like your DH!

saveforthat · 19/04/2024 22:36

I'm sorry to hear your choir is not very sociable. I've recently joined the Show Choir and I have had the busiest social life I have had for years. There are visits to the pub after choir, meals out and trips to shows. I believe they are nationwide do there may be one in your area.

CinnamonBunz · 19/04/2024 23:07

@saveforthat Thanks, did not know about showchoir. There are a couple 10ish miles away from us. From what I see rehearsals are in the evening, do you stay a bit longer chatting after the rehearsals?

@MichaelatheMechanic I am onto it with joining groups, I get the gist that volounteering would be the best to try instead of exercise groups. Need to shift the cloud that's gone over me. I think there was time to socialise if DH wasn't in busy jobs as we know couples who play sports or do board games with other people, they wanted to and organised themselves taking less notice of things like their children's diet or taking care of house. We got knackered with work, commuting, me cooking decent meals, making sure DCs were doing fine. @VenetiaHallisWellPosh @Puppalicious I am not introverted and I am not the heart of the party either, I like to chat to people as does DH, but he is fine not moving on from casual chat to actual socialising so it kind of ended up as if we were introverts. DCs are older, one is an adult and they have been aware we didn't have family friends. Our BBQs have mostly been just us, occasional cousin from oversees or for DCs friends. I feared how that would affect them and still do as they are not independent yet. I'm doing my best.

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RidingMyBike · 20/04/2024 08:51

As someone who has relocated multiple times and so had to get established in a new area repeatedly!

Even now I've found getting out there and looking on notice boards etc is often more useful than trawling the internet trying to find groups and activities. Not everything is online, or if it is, it's not up-to-date. And sometimes groups I wouldn't have imagined existed, I found from a poster on a board, and then found their FB page or whatever!

I've found community notice boards (often outside a post office or in a library), sometimes in independent cafes, sometimes in charity shops that are local to the area (ie not one of the big national charities). So rather than starting out by going to a group one found online, I spend the first few weeks after a move walking the area, having a coffee in a few places, seeing what and who is around.

It's often easier in warmer weather as more people about too!

TheTorturedPoetsDept · 20/04/2024 11:04

Pick something and try it. If you don't like it, do something else. If you like it, continue doing it and add something else in. The positive momentum will take you forward. See where it takes you. Don't worry too much about trying to make friends just focus on how you feel and whether it makes you excited or even slightly better

Good advice and I echo @MichaelatheMechanic's recommendation re. Mel Robbins.

Could you contact your local council and ask if they'd be happy for you to set up a community gardening group in the park. Or find yourself some wasteland and form a guerilla gardening gang. Advertise your idea on your local Facebook page.

TheTorturedPoetsDept · 20/04/2024 11:10

we know couples who play sports or do board games with other people, they wanted to and organised themselves taking less notice of things like their children's diet or taking care of house. We got knackered with work, commuting, me cooking decent meals, making sure DCs were doing fine

Oh dear. Is that the vibe you're giving off? That couples with friends fed their kids crap and had mucky houses and didn't much care how their DC were doing because they were too focussed on badminton and backgammon whilst you were a superior parent?

Not gonna attract friends with that attitude.

Westfacing · 20/04/2024 11:27

DH is trying to help, saying to enjoy a few month off and may be go for a horticultural course and meet some friends there. He has scoured local newsletters and web with me for various activities, most of which revolve around local gyms and what looks like quite old folk in the local WI.

I wouldn't dismiss the WI - make further enquiries. I'm not in the WI but from what I've seen of my local one there really is a wide range of ages. Some of the photos of activities have women who look in their 30s, and all ages above that; it's not all quite old folk!

I'm in London so things will be a bit different but you never know your local WI might be a good one.

MichaelatheMechanic · 20/04/2024 11:35

@CinnamonBunz

I think you need to be a little more open minded and less judgemental.

Don't assume the WI is full of old dears. Don't assume working full time with kids and doing hobbies = dirty house.

My Mum always used to say that teachers had messy dirty houses. The truth is, she didn't have a bloody clue because she'd never known or be friends with any teachers. Still makes me laugh.

CinnamonBunz · 20/04/2024 14:47

@Westfacing @MichaelatheMechanic WI in our town has a waiting list until 2026, they have been very clear about it. I am on the list. There are village offshoots with little or no online presence but got their contact details and will try to visit them. Thank you all who have shared their insights and wise suggestions.

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Enigma52 · 20/04/2024 16:56

Stainglasses · 19/04/2024 22:26

I made lots of friends at different stages with my kids but we’ve left that place and I’m in a new place with no friends and no work. So it can happen to anyone - I’m not actually sure that I would have kept having endless cups of coffee with my mum friends once the children had moved past needing me hanging around in the playground / play dates etc. they were lovely friends for the season but I’ve always found just socialising for the sake of socialising when everyone else is at work feels really hollow.

Keep trying! Go to some more activities and you will find some more folks to chat to.

Yes, this is a exactly my experience too! I've made many "mum friends"over the years, but as the children grew, the friendships dwindled.

Now, aged 52, on sick leave from work, living with a secondary cancer, it's even harder. Colleagues are colleagues and I wasn't really part of a " group"'as such, like many; more of a free spirit!

I think it takes some effort to form friendships later in life; you have to try new things, experiment and explore a bit.

saveforthat · 20/04/2024 20:27

CinnamonBunz · 19/04/2024 23:07

@saveforthat Thanks, did not know about showchoir. There are a couple 10ish miles away from us. From what I see rehearsals are in the evening, do you stay a bit longer chatting after the rehearsals?

@MichaelatheMechanic I am onto it with joining groups, I get the gist that volounteering would be the best to try instead of exercise groups. Need to shift the cloud that's gone over me. I think there was time to socialise if DH wasn't in busy jobs as we know couples who play sports or do board games with other people, they wanted to and organised themselves taking less notice of things like their children's diet or taking care of house. We got knackered with work, commuting, me cooking decent meals, making sure DCs were doing fine. @VenetiaHallisWellPosh @Puppalicious I am not introverted and I am not the heart of the party either, I like to chat to people as does DH, but he is fine not moving on from casual chat to actual socialising so it kind of ended up as if we were introverts. DCs are older, one is an adult and they have been aware we didn't have family friends. Our BBQs have mostly been just us, occasional cousin from oversees or for DCs friends. I feared how that would affect them and still do as they are not independent yet. I'm doing my best.

We don't stay chatting aftet rehearsals but immediately we joined, the conductor asked who would like to be social secretary, a WhatsApp group was set up and away we went. It's a shame your local one is 10 miles away but you could see if they do free taster sessions, our's did.

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