Going part time

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My neice is thinking about going from full time hours to part time but she can't decide what days to work

I wondered (but I don't know) if it's better NOT to work Mondays and Fridays as these are the days we get bank holidays and that would mess up her annual leave calculations

Or is it better to work on Mondays and Fridays from a part time annual leave perspective?

Can anyone advise?

If she has a vaguely decent HR person they will apportion bank holidays so it doesn’t matter which days you work from that point of view. Her holiday allowance should adjust to make it fair

The HR department is rubbish.....lovely people but hopeless

I think this is what bothers me (and my neice)

Will the BHs be worked out properly within her annual leave entitlement, should she choose to work Mondays and Fridays ?

Yes she should get the allocation for her pro rata bank holidays in her allowance. You don't miss our being part time (or shouldn't do legally)

If she has the option, its so much nicer to have a Mon or Fri off but depends on her job I suppose

She'll get the same annual leave entitlement whichever days she takes.

If she doesn't work Mondays/ Fridays, it will just mean she will get to use the hours on days of her choice, rather than being forced to take it on a bank holiday (as she wouldn't be working those days anyway). So rather than taking Good Friday off, for example, she might choose to take the Thursday (or any other day at any other time).

It will be pro rata hours of course but she should still get the same amount of leave.

If you're basing job decisions on the fact that you don't trust your rubbish HR department to do things properly, to be honest, you probably want to look at moving jobs!!

It does matter what days you work. Op doesnt say how many days but but say if you work 3 days a week , you are only entitled to 3/5 or 60% of bank holidays so ie normally 8 bh you will get 4.8 or 5 if rounded up . If 6 of thise bh fall on your working day you will have to use one of your other leave days to cover the 6th bh day.
I work mondays and fridays i always lose out.

It may be the same proportionally but you dont get the choice of when to take those days if you work monday and friday.

Yes - that's exactly what I said.

You get the same amount of annual leave either way, but if you work mondays/ fridays you generally have to take the bank holidays off if your workplace is closed.

If you don't work Mondays/ Fridays you get the choice of when to take those hours.

It's better to not work Mondays as you then receive more holiday hours to use when you wish, to compensate for bank holidays (most of which fall on a Monday)

If you're basing job decisions on the fact that you don't trust your rubbish HR department to do things properly, to be honest, you probably want to look at moving jobs

Good point!

I understand now.

So .....the annual leave entitlement is 3/5th if she goes from 5 to 3 days BUT if she works a Monday and/or a Friday some of that 3/5th annual leave entitlement MUST be used on the Bank Holidays

Whereas if she works Tues, Weds, Thursday....her 3/5th annual leave entitlement can be taken any time, no restrictions

Don't work Mondays if you are part time.

If you work 3 days (60%), you will get 60% of the annual leave entitlement for BH's.

This won't be enough to cover all the BH that fall on a Monday so you will end up using some of your normal A/L to cover the BH that fall on Mondays.

You guys are good!

So ......another question!

My neice is thinking of changing jobs (not because of HR, more because she does want part time hours!) and the company she's looking at , offers unlimited annual leave 😳

I've not heard of this

How does it work with part time hours? Do you know?

She will get 3/5 of bank holidays regardless of which days she works. If she never works a Friday or Monday she will be owed 3/5 of each bank holiday day to take on another day. If she works Friday or Monday she will owe time for these bank holidays 40%. I found I needed to keep my own paper leave card to show what I did as the electronic one wasn't accurate in case anyone queried this.

Re the leave thing is might mean she can but additional leave

If she doesn't work Mon/Fri she is owed that time?

OK this has thrown me! 😳

Yes!

This is meant to say buy additional leave

You don’t lose out at all you get exactly the same % of hours of your working week as everyone else
If you work ft 40 hrs you get 8 hrs = 20% of your working week off for a BH
if you worked 24 hrs you would be entitled to 20% of that off which would be 4.8 hrs so on a 8 hrs shift you would have to take the shortfall as leave. Which the company are well within there rights to make you as they can tell you when to take leave

you get the same as everyone else

Years and years a go workers either just took or lost bank holidays depending on days worked but I assume employers are more up to speed now with proportionate bank holidays or should be.

I am losing out as full timers and those that dont work monday and friday get to chose when they take their annual leave. I have to use part of my normal annual leave to pay back bh. It might be the same prorata but i get less choice. One year when we had 10 bh 9 of those fell on working days so had to i use 2 days of the rest of my annual leave to pay back bh.

Think of it as the total annual leave, including bank holidays, bundled into one amount, say 30 x 7.5 hour days for the sake of illustration, so 225 hours.

Then pro-rata the hours, so if she is having two days off she is doing 60% of a full working week, so that gives her 135 hours.

Those 135 hours have to cover all the time she has off, both bank holidays and annual leave.

If the bank holiday is a normal non-working day, she does not have to use any of the 135 hours to cover it, so she 'gets that time back' i.e. it is not deducted from her leave allowance.

If she normally works 7.5 hours on the bank holiday, she will need to use 7.5 of the 135 to cover it, i.e. she owes that time and will 'pay' with 7.5 hours of her total leave entitlement.

I work Tues/Weds/Thurs. It means BH weeks are normal working weeks for me, but I get the (pro rata) days added to my annual leave, which means I get extra days if my choosing.

Don't work Mondays - she will get pro rated bank holidays, but will have to use up x number of days leave to take the bank holidays off

When I worked a 3 day week, I also found Tues to Thurs best.

To the person who says they are 'missing out', you are still getting the same number of paid days off as everyone else. It just feels different because you can't choose when your days off are in the same way due to your choice of working pattern - however you do still get the same number of holidays. And it's wrong to say that FT get to choose, they're tied to BH too. If you don't want to use your AL allowance to cover those 1 or 2 BH hols you mention, can't you work an extra day that week instead if it bothers you that much? So like the other PT who don't work Mondays- work your full contracted hours that week.

@FUPAgirl
And it's wrong to say that FT get to choose, they're tied to BH too.
But they are not using part of their normal annual leave to cover their BH! They have more choice than i do when to take their allocated annual leave.