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Can you help me calculate the holiday?

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MichaelatheMechanic · 03/04/2024 14:32

DD has just accepted a part-time retail job:-

2.5 days per week (two days in the week and every other Sat)
Start 16 April
Standard holiday entitlement of 20 days and 8 bank holidays

Employer has said she has 7 days holiday until the end of the year which doesn't sound enough to me.

Can anyone check and confirm?

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PinkFrogss · 03/04/2024 22:16

Yes, you treat a part time person the same as a full time person by giving them the same amount of leave pro rata.

If someone worked Tuesdays they wouldn’t get a single bank holiday this year, whereas someone working Monday - Friday would get 8 in the calendar year.

Ignoring bank holidays, if a full time employee (working 8 hours a day Monday - Friday) got 30 days annual leave to book, and 8 bank holiday days they would get 38 paid days off a year.

Their colleague only works 8 hours on a Tuesday, no other hours or days. They would get 20% of the full time employees 30 days annual leave, so 6 days leave, but no bank holidays. They should therefore get more annual leave as their pro rata bank holidays, so another 12.8 hours.

Otherwise they are not being treated equally to a full time employee.

PinkFrogss · 03/04/2024 22:23

MichaelatheMechanic · 03/04/2024 21:56

Holiday year is Jan to Dec
40 hours full time
8 hour shifts
Work days Tue, Wed and every other Sat

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She works half of an FTE so should get 14 days (112 hours) paid holiday. As she worked Wednesdays she’ll have one bank holiday this year, so 13 days bookable (104 hours)

If she started half way through April she won’t get a full years entitlement this year however. I make her annual leave for this year about 73.67 hours - 104 divided by 12, times 8.5 (months worked). Might be slightly out as I don’t have my calendar out and my brains getting tired Someone feel free to correct me if I’m wrong!

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MichaelatheMechanic · 03/04/2024 22:23

Okay, I think it's getting complicated because I'm talking about the total holiday allowance.

Her total holiday allowance including bank holidays up until the end of the year should be 10.5 for the period not 7.

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titchy · 03/04/2024 22:25

It's not - two thirds of 14 days (she won't get any entitlement for April) is 9.5 days. Of which one that she'll work is Christmas Day, leaving her 8.5 bookable days.

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MichaelatheMechanic · 03/04/2024 22:28

The GOV Holiday Calculator say 10.5 days.

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MichaelatheMechanic · 03/04/2024 22:31

She's paid per hour not salaried.

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PinkFrogss · 03/04/2024 22:34

Realised where my maths went wrong, I pro ratad the wrong amount for months.

Anyway OP, it’s 10.5 days including bank holidays. If your daughter is not working on Christmas Day (a bank holiday Wednesday) she’ll have a day deducted from her quota to cover it. So titchy is correct, it’s 9.5 days.

titchy · 03/04/2024 22:40

MichaelatheMechanic · 03/04/2024 22:28

The GOV Holiday Calculator say 10.5 days.

It looks as if they awarded her the full entitlement for April despite not working that month in full - in other words wrong!

Kitkat1523 · 03/04/2024 22:40

MichaelatheMechanic · 03/04/2024 22:00

They'd be treated exactly the same...

Bank Holiday Entitlement for Part-Time Workers
As a part-time employee you must, by law, be treated as equally as a full-time employee and that goes for your bank holiday entitlement as well.
According to the government part-time workers are also entitled to a minimum of 5.6 weeks of paid holiday each year pro rata – that means if, for example, you work three days per week as a part-timer and a full-timer works five days your entitlement would be three-fifths the number of days a full-timer would get.
Remember, there is no automatic right to paid time off on bank holidays and if you have to work there is no entitlement to higher pay either. This is granted by your employer but must be equally as fair as whatever a full-time employee gets. So whatever is practiced by your full-time colleagues should also be available to you as a part-time worker – unless stated in your contract.

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Equally fair means she must take 4 hours ( if she is an 8 hr day worker) of her annual leave off extra every time she has a bank holiday off that is a day she normally works …..you seem a bit confused OP

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MichaelatheMechanic · 03/04/2024 22:45

Okay, thanks everyone.

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PinkFrogss · 03/04/2024 22:48

Another possibility is closure days, E.g if the shop is closed the entire week of Christmas they can force employees to take annual leave that week. The number of days they’ve told her might be what she can actually book and not the number of days she’s getting.

The best way to get to the bottom of it is probably for her to just ask how it has been calculated.

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