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Toxic boss, health suffering, how do I handle this?

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Blacknailer · 17/03/2024 09:16

Ok this is really long. Thank you in advance if you read it!

I work in an investment role at a bank. It's high pressure and there are stretching targets.

I've been in the role for 2.5yrs and in that time I've never had a fully resourced team, unlike colleagues in the same role. The job was always going to be a big step up for me but the team I was 'given' was also new to the business and so wasn't able to support me to learn the new processes and business culture. I've really struggled as a consequence.

My boss used to be supportive to an extent but when I've said how busy and stretched the team is he's accused me of being negative. Last year when I asked for a few scattered days off (rather than a week together) he asked it this was a sign that I wasn't coping. He then said 'is this role not working?' rather than offering any support. As a consequence I've felt completely unable to mention significant physical and mental health issues I've developed as a result of the workload and stress, for fear of being fired. He did at the time say he had no performance management concerns.

He's become increasingly accusatory and difficult in our 121s and I've continued to be under resourced to the point I have had further health issues. I'm working 60+ hours a week, every week.

I'm having anxiety attacks, have been for tests on my heart, referred to a psychologist etc. I've felt suicidal at times although would never actually on it. I don't have time to exercise or enjoy life with my family.

Suddenly this year he's decided I need to be on a performance improvement plan. Which could be ok except the background provided puts everything I've done in the worst possible light and essentially reads like it's making a case for dismissal. Don't know if that's normal.

It doesn't recognise that I still don't have a proper team and also that I've been given major other projects which I can't delegate.

In response to the resource issue he's now claiming that this is my own fault as my direct reports don't want to work with me. He's blamed me for people leaving who never worked with me at all. He's had conversations with members of the team without me and claims I'm asking others to do my work, that I've been a poor line manager, lots more.

In reality it's been impossible to give my team the level of support I'd like to, as a result of the workload and with all of us being new from the start and learning together. But I'm a good manager.

He's scared I think that he could be blamed for the resourcing issues plus a poor employee engagement survey and is trying to transfer it all onto me.

As part of the PIP he's saying that the new people we are hiring now to support me should work with me but report to a colleague instead. I feel this will make my position impossible as the wider team will assume I'm on the way out.

Any challenge to him however mild (we have a different perspective on things... Etc) - he reacts incredibly negatively and it makes things worse.

I'm being advised by many to go off on stress leave. I don't want to do that as I just want to get on with my deals and projects. But I may have no choice. I've basically accepted I have to leave although it was my dream role and I'm great at most aspects of it.

I'm basically terrified of the meeting I have with him this week and have been mentally going around non stop without coming up with a good way of proceeding.

Any words of advice would be really welcome. I'm hugely struggling.

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Newgirls · 18/03/2024 20:24

And those deals? You can count them as success stories anyway. You’ve worked hard and done your best. Better jobs and a life is out there

Blacknailer · 18/03/2024 20:44

Once I've been off for a week the GP will then sign me off, I think.

I'd really prefer to see all my work complete.

But today I suggested that over the next few months I do the things which play to my strength and add a massive amount of value to the business for the future and he firmly said not to do any of that stuff. So I think he actively doesn't want me to demonstrate success in any way. Even though it would be great for the business.

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oishidesne · 18/03/2024 20:47

I don't understand why you want all your work complete even though you say you are sick, suffering, etc.

I was similar to you, and I think I wanted for the organisation to realise what a great employee I am...

It wasn't going to happen, and won't happen for you as I am sure your manager is being supported by others to do this to you.

Look after yourself and call it a day. Only do what u can and don't ruin ur health and self esteem over it. Be selfish as they r not going to change their minds...

Go where you are wanted.

Blacknailer · 18/03/2024 20:56

Basically these are deals I've worked on for months or even a year, and I need to be able to add them to my CV.
So it's not for the business but for me (and also the people in the other side who have also worked on them for that long!).

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oishidesne · 18/03/2024 21:00

The people on the other side can provide u a reference?

Would the people on the other side care that you are sick? Do they know what u r going through?

You say 'deals'... are there any that are more special than others that you can prioritise?

Reallly, u can write this on ur cv with or without completing them...

Ur call on what's important to u as once u change jobs, these deals are not going to matter...

I focused on things that gave me joy in the miserable situation I was in... the people who were fun to work with...

It's ur call... lots have told u clearly ur options below, only u can decide...

Fallenangelofthenorth · 18/03/2024 21:08

Can't you just put completed deals on your CV, and then reference these others as pipeline deals? That way you're still getting credit for them, plus it shows your not resting on your laurels, you're still looking to the future. Spin it into a positive?

I've recently resigned, and I do know what you mean, as I still had projects at various stages, that yes, it would have been nice to complete, but I was ĵust honest in interviews - said what I'd done and what still needed to be done - which I got positive feedback for.

I agree with everyone else. Don't stay as it will destroy your confidence. Get out on your terms. No job is worth this.

Blacknailer · 18/03/2024 22:35

Yeah, I have listed them as pipeline although have to keep them confidential so no names.
And so long as they happen I guess I can claim them, I'm just worried they will fall apart without me!

I'm feeling more positive now I have a plan but my boss is quite unpredictable and I feel like he'll find a way in the meeting tomorrow to make me feel terrible again.

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daisychain01 · 19/03/2024 02:45

The health stuff has been going on for longer that a year so is potentially a disability issue which improves my case.

don't leave your Disability status to chance. If you haven't declared yourself as having a disability, then they can argue they didn't know so couldn't have discriminated against you. So make sure you tell them clearly and as specifically as you can to make that point known.

blCkmagic · 19/03/2024 05:24

i don’t think you’re thinking straight here. I really don’t agree with your plan of action.

you need to inform them about your health condition before the meeting and you really should have informed them a long time ago. This isn’t the sort of thing that should come for the first time at a PIP meeting. You never know, your employer might put adjustments in place for you if you let them. I imagine a lot of people on PIPs are stressed, but you are suffering from a lot more than that, and you likely need longer than a week off. I just think this is another example of where you’re being too “proud” to be honest about how you are feeling and the support you need.

on the deals front, you need to look for jobs based on what you know and have achieved now. It’s clear you won’t be given the opportunity to see those deals through. So stop thinking about the deals and your CV, and start trying to navigate the here and now

Blacknailer · 19/03/2024 07:14

From comments my boss had made previously I felt that admitting to significant stress would result in being fired, so it wasn't really an option to discuss it.

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Fallenangelofthenorth · 19/03/2024 07:20

It might not necessarily be a bad thing if the deals did fall apart without you. You can take them with you then to a new employer perhaps?

kittybiscuits · 19/03/2024 07:21

You've had great advice and have clearly taken it on board. I would secretly record the meeting. It's not illegal. If he obstructs your gameplan to leave on your terms, you may need the evidence of his behaviour in this meeting. Without a record, it will be your word against his. He's bound to act out. When he lies about how he's behaved, you can provide a transcript and when he disputes the transcript, you simply say you can prove its accuracy. All power to you OP.

boatyardblues · 19/03/2024 07:35

It’s clear you won’t be given the opportunity to see those deals through. So stop thinking about the deals and your CV, and start trying to navigate the here and now

The PP beat me to this. ^ From everything you’ve said there’s no guarantee your boss won't take these deals off you and give them to someone else to complete. This is an example of sunk costs. Don’t hold out because you want to land these deals. It may not happen and you’ll have nothing to show for your efforts. Better to leave now when you can still claim them as pipeline deals.

blCkmagic · 19/03/2024 07:36

Blacknailer · 19/03/2024 07:14

From comments my boss had made previously I felt that admitting to significant stress would result in being fired, so it wasn't really an option to discuss it.

In your OP you mentioned:

significant physical and mental health issues

I'm having anxiety attacks, have been for tests on my heart, referred to a psychologist etc. I've felt suicidal at times

To me, your health condition is clearly more than stress.

Plus there’s nothing wrong with admitting to significant stress thought you seem hesitant. Why can’t you declare your physical health and/or your anxiety if you don’t want to state stress?

blCkmagic · 19/03/2024 07:41

The law protects you against health discrimination but you need to declare it to your employer, it’s a clear cut defence for them to state they were unaware.

Newgirls · 19/03/2024 07:44

Op take the day off. Take a break. I don’t think you are thinking straight. Lots of people at high levels who leave jobs leave projects in completed. That’s normal. Your boss and job is impacting your health. It won’t change. Only you can and from what you’ve said it time to do what your lawyer said and get out

Blacknailer · 19/03/2024 14:26

Well, that was an extremely difficult meeting.

I went through all the health stuff and my view on how he's been with me, and that I didn't see the PIP as being put forward in good faith.

I've sent him the list of health issues.

He's very plausible and has left me with the feeling that this has all been in my head and that he's only every been trying to help me succeed. It's incredibly confusing. Has this just been my paranoia and failure all along?

I don't really think that can be the case but I guess that's what Gaslighting is.

He completely denies that I've had ongoing resource issues and claims not to remember that he said certain things.

Anyway I'm taking the next week off.

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oishidesne · 19/03/2024 14:33

Well done for getting through this and getting ur points across.

I wonder if we worked for the same idiot.

If u have a medical and occupational heath department, he may now get the doctor to keep an eye on you and request ur health reports... this can may do nothing at worst and help you at best.

Good luck with time off.

Prioritise yourself. You may also think about getting some coaching or emotional
Mental health support from therapy if ur gp can help...

kittybiscuits · 19/03/2024 15:52

Ah yes, you called his behaviour, so he's changing strategy. That's why I suggested recording. Also forward any key email evidence to an external email account. It sounds like you handled this really well.

Blacknailer · 19/03/2024 15:57

Thank you.

I did record it all. I can't due to the IT policy forward the emails but actually I'm going to take photos of them.

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Ridiculous24 · 19/03/2024 16:38

Well done, op.

HalfMumHalfBiccit · 24/03/2024 08:43

Wow sounds such a difficult situation. Well done OP. I hope this works out for you.

SanctusInDistress · 24/03/2024 08:53

Can you write a timeline of:

  1. mayor achievements
  2. tikes you have asked for a new team

also do a flowchart of who is in your team and a skills audit chart.

take these to HR and that you are being put on a PIP.

bonus points if you can get a team flowchart and skills audit chart of a comparable team.

Blacknailer · 24/03/2024 20:49

I'm putting together a long document which I'll share with a lawyer. It feels like a really nuclear option to use it in some way but I'm going to let the lawyer advise.

I'm probably going to do some kind of without prejudice letter which lets me leave on my terms and agree a narrative.

On reflection there's a bunch of stuff which is individually minor but cumulatively major which I think could absolutely add up to discrimination.

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Daffidale · 24/03/2024 21:17

100% do the without prejudice settlement/exit package. It gets you money and time to get well and find another job. It sounds like your Bad Boss is angling to get rid of you, and if he’s any sense he’ll go for it as it gets him out of managing you out through the PIP.

treat it like any other negotiation. There is a deal to be done. You got this!

Good luck, take care of yourself.