Grievance Upheld But Ultimately Ignored !

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I had a formal grievance upheld nearly 7 weeks ago. I requested an apology from the outset, nothing else. I still haven’t received it. Obviously I have chased it with the ones who conducted the grievance process, and they’ve told me that they can’t physically make anyone apologise.

Shall I just move on ?

Well they're right. Were you expecting an apology from the organisation or the individual?

Yes I can see what they mean - it was an individual

Do you think they'll mean it or do you just want to make them say it? Privately or with an audience?

They’ll definitely not mean it, they’re not sorry at all 😂

We communicate via email so assumed it would be in that format.

What do they need to apologise for? An email you found rude?

Why would you want a false apology?

Realistically you've won - the grievance was upheld. That should put an end to the behaviour but if it doesn’t you can always take out another grievance.

It's pretty shit of your company not to try and enforce an apology though.

Yes I think I need to move on, if they were sorry they would have said so ages ago, I know I would have, so it’s meaningless anyway.
Grievances are clearly just a waste of everyone’s time & resources, I won’t bother again.

Is an enforced apology real?
'I'm sorry you reported me because you were upset you said I.....' ?

It can be so so tough I've supported colleagues through this a good few years ago and when the company is not supportive and basically going through the motions because they "have too" it's very disappointing and really stops any loyalty for your employer.
The company I currently work for is becoming renown for this amongst its workforce and once that new becomes widespread it's going to make employing new staff even harder than it currently is.
Are you a member of a union? If not it's worth joining so going forward you can have support and someone with you if it continue to happen and you need to raise the issue again.

I complained to the council about them breaking the rules. They took a long time to reply, then I got a response of "Yes, you're right. Sorry we didn't do what we should have done, but it's all ok now, so..."

@Lougle @MyGooseisTotallyLoose understood re a non apology but an apology is what the grievance should have delivered.

I'm a union rep and I would have fought for it, otherwise what's the point of a grievance (which is now, understandably, how the op is feeling).

I don't read the OP like that. I read it that she raised a grievance and requested an apology. The grievance was upheld (the OP was right that she had been aggrieved), but it isn't clear if the grievance decision said the OP should receive an apology?

If someone is charged with murder, they can be found guilty and attended, but they can't be made to attend sentencing (currently) or to say where the body is. There's only so much you can do.

Depending on the circumstances our company would have offered mediation here to try to get the relationship back on track.

Thanks for replying- Union was involved from the outset of the grievance process and have been very good. HR agreed to uphold it in full, and to request the apology. They have chased it, but are the ones saying they can’t make it happen.

Mediation was offered by HR at the time but I declined it.

As others have said, the Business cannot force someone to apologise. There likely would have been recommendations made to the subject but you wouldn’t be informed as it’s confidential however it should also be about how you move past this. They have offered mediation which is right- what else can they do? If you’ve declined it then the expectations you’ll move on from it. If you can and need closure I’d take the mediation. Ultimately the Business has done what it needed to do and tried to help you move on

@Whatyoutalkingabouteh yes I agree. No point having it as part of any desired outcome as it can’t be enforced. Plus PP are right in that it would be empty anyway.

Time to move on.

You never know the other person could have actually been disciplined if the grievance was upheld- you wouldn’t be told. However hopefully whatever has happened as a result they will think about how they communicate with you/others to stop the behaviour.
if it continues, document evidence. You might not feel the grievance process is worth it as you haven’t had an apology but it can be used to move to disciplinary for the other person.
Good luck!

If it’s been upheld, they may well have been given a formal warning. (You wouldn’t always be told). So if they behave in a similar way to you or another colleague again, they’d lose their job. If your company gives bonuses they are unlikely to get one. If they apply for a promotion, it will be taken into consideration.

basically, it’s not that nothing has happened, it’s just it’s unlikely you will feel the effect of it, they will.

unless they are very thick skinned, having had a grievance upheld against them should be a clear sign to start job hunting. But again, unless/until they find something else and resign, it’s unlikely you’d know about it.