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Neriah · 31/01/2024 17:09

shewasrooting · 31/01/2024 16:51

@Neriah

everything will be overshadowed by the unattended pool. That could have led to closure of the entire gym for gross negligence

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No it really isn't. It has nothing to do with whether she was doing her nails and whether she should have been or not. Assuming that actually is what the grievance is about.

As another poster commented, this is all sounding like a playground squabble. Yes leaving the pool unattended is important - very important. It was also actually the OP who did it! She reported her colleague for their part in it yes, and quite rightly, although to do that she must have left the pool.

But none of that - not one thing - has anything at all to do with her nails and whether, how or where she should have been doing them.

You are conflating just as she has - and there is no evidence to support it.

shewasrooting · 31/01/2024 17:09

yes he was terribly wrong

but not a chance that you should have left unattended at the end of your shift

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Pineappletiger · 31/01/2024 17:11

I left because he was there.
he ambled back after I had left. It has nothing to do with me.

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shewasrooting · 31/01/2024 17:11

Neriah · 31/01/2024 17:09

No it really isn't. It has nothing to do with whether she was doing her nails and whether she should have been or not. Assuming that actually is what the grievance is about.

As another poster commented, this is all sounding like a playground squabble. Yes leaving the pool unattended is important - very important. It was also actually the OP who did it! She reported her colleague for their part in it yes, and quite rightly, although to do that she must have left the pool.

But none of that - not one thing - has anything at all to do with her nails and whether, how or where she should have been doing them.

You are conflating just as she has - and there is no evidence to support it.

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the nail thing will be easily sorted as even if they do believe that the Op was doing her nails whilst on duty… there would be very limited consequences

leaving a swimming pool unattended because a colleague refuses to take over? sackable offence. She should have been radioing for support

shewasrooting · 31/01/2024 17:11

so op

you left
he refused to take over
for how long was the pool unattended for? 1.5 hours until next person on rotation due on?

shewasrooting · 31/01/2024 17:12

absolutely not “quite rightly”

to leave her life guarding station unattended to make a report

my son is a lifeguard on uni holidays. Trust me. this is very very serious shit

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Pineappletiger · 31/01/2024 17:13

Radioed for shift change. Water testing.
support came. I left. Support left after me.

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Pineappletiger · 31/01/2024 17:14

I didn’t make a report until Monday when I was back in. I wanted to speak to my manager first.

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shewasrooting · 31/01/2024 17:21

good luck op

Neriah · 31/01/2024 17:34

shewasrooting · 31/01/2024 17:11

the nail thing will be easily sorted as even if they do believe that the Op was doing her nails whilst on duty… there would be very limited consequences

leaving a swimming pool unattended because a colleague refuses to take over? sackable offence. She should have been radioing for support

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Sorry yes - I agree. They are two seperate things and have to be treated as such. By everyone. It seems that the second of the two hasn't been actioned though (yet???) but I do agree - regrettably most places I know it would have been a dismissable offence, certainly for the OP and probably for both. If she did that - which it appears she says that she didn't.

But the OP is often not entirely clear in what has happened, because she is connecting things in her mind that aren't connected in the grievance.

shewasrooting · 31/01/2024 17:37

Neriah · 31/01/2024 17:34

Sorry yes - I agree. They are two seperate things and have to be treated as such. By everyone. It seems that the second of the two hasn't been actioned though (yet???) but I do agree - regrettably most places I know it would have been a dismissable offence, certainly for the OP and probably for both. If she did that - which it appears she says that she didn't.

But the OP is often not entirely clear in what has happened, because she is connecting things in her mind that aren't connected in the grievance.

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agreed

upthread the colleague refused to go pool side at all

now he came, she left and then he left

shewasrooting · 31/01/2024 17:37

it will all come out in the wash

one word (or rather an acronym!)

CCTV

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Pineappletiger · 31/01/2024 17:49

He refused to but someone had to take the water tests. I said my time is up I need to be rotated. Water testing is also a legal requirement.

I took my chance and left when he came.

I have said there is CCTV and am certain it will be used.

What is it with piling in on me when I have asked for advice? The pool issue is separate and a major operational risk. However, nothing has been done about it. And when I complained higher up this grievance popped up.

Anyway, many of you have given great advice, I‘ll set to work on a timeline and take it from there. Thank you, I appreciate your comments and won’t come back on this thread again as I have the answers I needed.

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Neriah · 31/01/2024 19:38

Pineappletiger · 31/01/2024 17:49

He refused to but someone had to take the water tests. I said my time is up I need to be rotated. Water testing is also a legal requirement.

I took my chance and left when he came.

I have said there is CCTV and am certain it will be used.

What is it with piling in on me when I have asked for advice? The pool issue is separate and a major operational risk. However, nothing has been done about it. And when I complained higher up this grievance popped up.

Anyway, many of you have given great advice, I‘ll set to work on a timeline and take it from there. Thank you, I appreciate your comments and won’t come back on this thread again as I have the answers I needed.

Sorry, but there isn't a pile on. They are correct, and I'm going to be very blunt about this - here even if they disagree with you, they are on your side! You just keep digging!!!

"I took my chance and left when he came." - I'm a pretty lenient manager. And also a trade union rep of 40 odd years. As a manager, if you say that to me you will be an inch away from being dismissed if I am in a really, really good mood. As a union rep, I have utterly no defence against that. You legged it. A water tester is not a lifeguard. You think people are piling on? If the worst had happened you could be facing manslaughter charges. FFS wise up. You then reported it days later? Where was the responsible manager when it happened and why didn't you report it immediately to them?

Somebody could have died because you "legged it" and did nothing for days after. Sorry but I'd dismiss you just for that. As someone says upthread, this is not a school playground. If you "all" have serious concerns about issues then you are also "all" responsible for doing something about it. Stop acting like you are 5 years old. If the manager isn't acting appropriately and putting people at risk, escalate the complaints. You literally hold people's lives in your hands, and you are all playing stupid schoolyard games.

BlindurErBóklausMaður · 31/01/2024 19:52

Neriah · 31/01/2024 19:38

Sorry, but there isn't a pile on. They are correct, and I'm going to be very blunt about this - here even if they disagree with you, they are on your side! You just keep digging!!!

"I took my chance and left when he came." - I'm a pretty lenient manager. And also a trade union rep of 40 odd years. As a manager, if you say that to me you will be an inch away from being dismissed if I am in a really, really good mood. As a union rep, I have utterly no defence against that. You legged it. A water tester is not a lifeguard. You think people are piling on? If the worst had happened you could be facing manslaughter charges. FFS wise up. You then reported it days later? Where was the responsible manager when it happened and why didn't you report it immediately to them?

Somebody could have died because you "legged it" and did nothing for days after. Sorry but I'd dismiss you just for that. As someone says upthread, this is not a school playground. If you "all" have serious concerns about issues then you are also "all" responsible for doing something about it. Stop acting like you are 5 years old. If the manager isn't acting appropriately and putting people at risk, escalate the complaints. You literally hold people's lives in your hands, and you are all playing stupid schoolyard games.

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👌 well said.

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Pineappletiger · 31/01/2024 19:59

@Neriah With all due respect but you have no idea how our team is run. Pool responders and lifeguards test water. My colleague is the one who was due to rotate me. He did and I left. It’s not my fault he left poolside after that. That’s on him. Whatever you’re smoking you need to stop making up excuses to accuse me of being negligent in my duties. I wasn’t. Or else there would be a different complaint but there isn’t. So sit back down and zip it.

I spoke to my manager less than 12 hours later on an early shift. If I had behaved incorrectly then I would have to answer a different investigation.

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shewasrooting · 31/01/2024 20:06

Neriah · 31/01/2024 19:38

Sorry, but there isn't a pile on. They are correct, and I'm going to be very blunt about this - here even if they disagree with you, they are on your side! You just keep digging!!!

"I took my chance and left when he came." - I'm a pretty lenient manager. And also a trade union rep of 40 odd years. As a manager, if you say that to me you will be an inch away from being dismissed if I am in a really, really good mood. As a union rep, I have utterly no defence against that. You legged it. A water tester is not a lifeguard. You think people are piling on? If the worst had happened you could be facing manslaughter charges. FFS wise up. You then reported it days later? Where was the responsible manager when it happened and why didn't you report it immediately to them?

Somebody could have died because you "legged it" and did nothing for days after. Sorry but I'd dismiss you just for that. As someone says upthread, this is not a school playground. If you "all" have serious concerns about issues then you are also "all" responsible for doing something about it. Stop acting like you are 5 years old. If the manager isn't acting appropriately and putting people at risk, escalate the complaints. You literally hold people's lives in your hands, and you are all playing stupid schoolyard games.

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superb post

shewasrooting · 31/01/2024 20:07

Pineappletiger · 31/01/2024 19:59

@Neriah With all due respect but you have no idea how our team is run. Pool responders and lifeguards test water. My colleague is the one who was due to rotate me. He did and I left. It’s not my fault he left poolside after that. That’s on him. Whatever you’re smoking you need to stop making up excuses to accuse me of being negligent in my duties. I wasn’t. Or else there would be a different complaint but there isn’t. So sit back down and zip it.

I spoke to my manager less than 12 hours later on an early shift. If I had behaved incorrectly then I would have to answer a different investigation.

and this confirms my suspicions from the get-go.

I would be looking for another job if i were you OP

milesmachine · 31/01/2024 20:11

OP I think you're getting a hard time here form people who maybe don't understand life guarding. My nephew is a lifeguard and there are several very clear rules (he's sat next to me!)

I think it's RLSS who say maximum lifeguard duty is 60 mins and only by exception should be 90 mins

The person rotating is has a set of assessments to carry out when taking over (water check, visibility check, can all areas of the pool be reached in 20 seconds etc).

When OP left the pool, the lifeguard who was due to take over was there and starting their duties

They then left the pool area unattended

I would ask a few questions: when did you realise this had happened? If you knew at the time, should the manager on shift not have been informed?
Once you raised this issue, they should have started an incident report to investigate this-assume they have?

My nephew is a big aghast at this incident but where he works there are management checks in place that mean this would have been very quickly picked up at the time and dealt with so he can't understand why this needed reporting and wasn't noted at the time.

Lastly, I agree with others that although the reports due seem linked, I would approach them as separate and unrelated when dealing with the process internally

milesmachine · 31/01/2024 20:11

So many typos for a tired toddler mum!

Neriah · 31/01/2024 20:16

Pineappletiger · 31/01/2024 19:59

@Neriah With all due respect but you have no idea how our team is run. Pool responders and lifeguards test water. My colleague is the one who was due to rotate me. He did and I left. It’s not my fault he left poolside after that. That’s on him. Whatever you’re smoking you need to stop making up excuses to accuse me of being negligent in my duties. I wasn’t. Or else there would be a different complaint but there isn’t. So sit back down and zip it.

I spoke to my manager less than 12 hours later on an early shift. If I had behaved incorrectly then I would have to answer a different investigation.

With respect, you have more than adequately explained how your team is run, and I was not the one who described my actions as "I legged it". So I have every bloody intention of "zipping it". You are rude, offensive, and deserve whatever you get. I'm out.

BlindurErBóklausMaður · 01/02/2024 06:08

In your first three posts mentioning the colleague you say the pool was left unattended.

"pool left unguarded with kids in as a colleague refused to lifeguard"

"He refused to go onto poolside"

"I left because you cannot stay for longer than 1.5 hrs. It’s hot and sticky, 1 hr is a normal shift, no longer than 1.5 hrs. Colleague came to check and returned to reception without staying."

This changes then to say you left because your colleague had replaced you. Though, although you'd left, you knew he had also left shortly after. (That was your moment to report a serious breach of safety regulations btw, not Monday when I next saw my manager

I left because he was there.
he ambled back after I had left. It has nothing to do with me

"Water testing.
support came. I left. Support left after me"

Here water testing person arrives and if I've understood, seems to be a different person to the colleague, as you'd already said in your earlier posts that your lifeguard colleague was refusing to come poolside. Or has come, then gone. Or something. Ambling.

"He refused to but someone had to take the water tests. I said my time is up I need to be rotated. Water testing is also a legal requirement."

"I took my chance and left when he came."

Unclear here if "he" is water tester or colleague, or, given what you said earlier, they're the same person. Don't think they can be though as your replacement colleague had already made it clear they weren't coming poolside, hadn't they?

"Pool responders and lifeguards test water. My colleague is the one who was due to rotate me. He did and I left. It’s not my fault he left poolside after that. "

And here, the colleague does replace you after all.

I do agree that you'll need to work on your timeline.

I'm off to work now, where I'm responsible for lots of children who won't be left alone at any point.

shewasrooting · 01/02/2024 06:24

milesmachine · 31/01/2024 20:11

OP I think you're getting a hard time here form people who maybe don't understand life guarding. My nephew is a lifeguard and there are several very clear rules (he's sat next to me!)

I think it's RLSS who say maximum lifeguard duty is 60 mins and only by exception should be 90 mins

The person rotating is has a set of assessments to carry out when taking over (water check, visibility check, can all areas of the pool be reached in 20 seconds etc).

When OP left the pool, the lifeguard who was due to take over was there and starting their duties

They then left the pool area unattended

I would ask a few questions: when did you realise this had happened? If you knew at the time, should the manager on shift not have been informed?
Once you raised this issue, they should have started an incident report to investigate this-assume they have?

My nephew is a big aghast at this incident but where he works there are management checks in place that mean this would have been very quickly picked up at the time and dealt with so he can't understand why this needed reporting and wasn't noted at the time.

Lastly, I agree with others that although the reports due seem linked, I would approach them as separate and unrelated when dealing with the process internally

When OP left the pool, the lifeguard who was due to take over was there and starting their duties

incorrect

milesmachine · 01/02/2024 15:55

@shewasrooting OP has clarified twice that her colleague was testing the water when she left. And that he was the lifeguard due to rotate with her. Lifeguards are the ones who do the assessments at the beginning of the shifts.

He then left and when he did so, the pool was unattended

The OP may have been jumbled in her original posts but that's because she was posting about the nail incident and bullying and then ended up giving the details of the pool incident in drips and drabs

I don't see the hysterics with which people are laying into her here

shewasrooting · 01/02/2024 16:46

milesmachine · 01/02/2024 15:55

@shewasrooting OP has clarified twice that her colleague was testing the water when she left. And that he was the lifeguard due to rotate with her. Lifeguards are the ones who do the assessments at the beginning of the shifts.

He then left and when he did so, the pool was unattended

The OP may have been jumbled in her original posts but that's because she was posting about the nail incident and bullying and then ended up giving the details of the pool incident in drips and drabs

I don't see the hysterics with which people are laying into her here

she said she took the risk and left unattended!!!