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Manager taking over the allocated annual leave

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Pollypickme · 15/11/2023 23:05

My manager has consistently taken around 10 days more than our allocation for the past 5-6 years.
he is the type of manager who watches everyone’s leave and sickness to the minute apart from his own. Not a nice person at all and generally unsupportive of his staff

There is a manager above him who needs to sign off this annual leave but the end of year sheet is normally adjusted to ‘cover up’

some annual leave days are also erased from the diary like they never happened.

what would you all do in this situation?

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Pollypickme · 16/11/2023 08:08

Unlikely. He is out of there by 4.30 every day.

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ChocHotolate · 16/11/2023 08:09

Your trust will have a "freedom to speak up" guardian which you can speak with anonymously if you want to

Auntieobem · 16/11/2023 08:11

You have no idea why leave may have been granted. It's none of your business.

Baffledandalarmed · 16/11/2023 08:15

Can he pay for extra leave? Does the NHS do that?

Someone tried to drop me in it at work as I’d taken 15 more days than I was entitled to. I’d paid for them by salary sacrifice…

downdowndowndowndown · 16/11/2023 08:20

Toil is such a confusing element of the NHS too. The problem is people swan in or out at any hour claiming they have toil but we (colleagues) have no idea if they do or even if they write it down!

PTSDBarbiegirl · 16/11/2023 08:22

I'd go to the manager above or HR manager beyond them and say it's been noted 10 extra days are calculated for some staff and when will you get yours or the 50 days extra pay accrued?

downdowndowndowndown · 16/11/2023 08:26

I'd just report him for being a massive twat anyway. The NHS want to avoid any more leavers so they should listen to you

susiedaisy1912 · 16/11/2023 08:31

Pollypickme · 16/11/2023 07:38

He’s an awful horrible man who doesn’t care about anything. Staff well-being, sickness etc. while he is constantly off sick himself

If it's the nhs then there are definitely ways to raise this. You will have a homepage on your system that will have links to various things including how to speak up and speak out etc. what do your other colleagues have to say about this?

WeeSleekitCowrinTimrousBeastie · 16/11/2023 08:38

Pollypickme · 16/11/2023 07:38

He’s an awful horrible man who doesn’t care about anything. Staff well-being, sickness etc. while he is constantly off sick himself

In which case report him to HR or his manager. Ideally with evidence.

MumblesParty · 16/11/2023 09:08

Auntieobem · 16/11/2023 08:11

You have no idea why leave may have been granted. It's none of your business.

Well if it’s legitimate then it’s case closed isn’t it, nothing to worry about. But if it’s dodgy then it should be highlighted.

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Pollypickme · 16/11/2023 09:39

Everyone else feels the same as me. But no one wants to be the one to say

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DilemmaDelilah · 16/11/2023 09:49

As others have said, he could have bought additional leave or is using TOIL. Or he could be taking unpaid leave. I wouldn't do anything, but I also wouldn't cover for him if anyone wanted to speak to him. I would also probably make a little note to myself when he is on leave, just in case there is anything iffy going on and you are ever asked.
Just because he's not around doesn't mean he is on leave either. He could be on a course, doing something elsewhere, off sick or anything.

DilemmaDelilah · 16/11/2023 09:51

@Baffledandalarmed yes you certainly can buy additional leave in the NHS, or you can in my Trust anyway. I used to buy an additional ten days every year so that I could help with holiday childcare for my daughter.

susiedaisy1912 · 16/11/2023 10:07

Pollypickme · 16/11/2023 09:39

Everyone else feels the same as me. But no one wants to be the one to say

A group email written and approved by you all and sent to the appropriate team is what I would do. It's what we have had to do in the past with one of our team managers who was behaving in a bullying fashion. We tolerated it for a few months then had had enough. She got spoken to and sent on a training day for managers she has actually improved for the most part. They are things you can do op.

WandaWonder · 16/11/2023 10:11

Pollypickme · 16/11/2023 09:39

Everyone else feels the same as me. But no one wants to be the one to say

Sounds like bullying

vivainsomnia · 16/11/2023 12:26

You could report him to the fraud hotline. This is exactly what they investigate.

Are you sure though he is not taking it unpaid? Or carer's leave?

MidnightOnceMore · 16/11/2023 12:28

Pollypickme · 16/11/2023 07:34

Because we work for the NHS. I know exactly what he is entitled to based on banding and length of service

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You don't know if he requests special or unpaid leave.

Quitelikeit · 16/11/2023 12:30

I pay towards the NHS so report this waste of space and don’t bother telling your colleagues.

Can you purchase extra leave through your salary?

SheilaFentiman · 16/11/2023 12:38

people saying things like “ he might be on a training course “ - maybe once, yeah, but this is repeated and he would probably tell his team about courses, surely?

DontBeBitterGlitter2023 · 16/11/2023 13:35

Does your NHS Trust have the ability to purchase extra days? In mine we are allowed to buy up to another ten days via salary sacrifice - are you sure he isn't doing this?

PumpkinFence · 16/11/2023 13:38

Yeh, put it together in a letter with details and send it to HR and the fraud department. Fuck him.

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Pollypickme · 16/11/2023 14:59

Possibly, but he refuses to grant this for anyone so how is he entitled to this himself? We have all requested to purchase extra annual leave but always denied.
if any of our children are unwell or family funeral etc we can never have special leave or unpaid: always has to b annual leave and we don’t have enough- tough. If you request anything and he doesn’t agree he won’t make eye contact or speak to you for weeks, he’s a bully. There are multiple issues with his management style but the annual leave issue is one he is blatant about and seems the easiest to prove

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VelvetUndergrounds · 16/11/2023 15:06

The NHS have Freedom to Speak Up policy, just follow that and do it anonymously. Your organisation will have a FTPU Guardian - you could also contact them?

ImCamembertTheBigCheese · 16/11/2023 15:23

I would think you'd have a whistleblowing policy, do it via that.

Mintesso · 16/11/2023 15:48

Pollypickme · 16/11/2023 14:59

Possibly, but he refuses to grant this for anyone so how is he entitled to this himself? We have all requested to purchase extra annual leave but always denied.
if any of our children are unwell or family funeral etc we can never have special leave or unpaid: always has to b annual leave and we don’t have enough- tough. If you request anything and he doesn’t agree he won’t make eye contact or speak to you for weeks, he’s a bully. There are multiple issues with his management style but the annual leave issue is one he is blatant about and seems the easiest to prove

Maybe report him to HR or whoever for bullying, incorrectly refusing unpaid parental leave for sick kids (which is a legal right) and fraudulently taking extra leave?

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